ARCHIVE: Romans 8 and the Open View

[geoff]

Arminian,

Nicodemus didnt say he came because of the signs, he said the signs were proof that Jesus was from God.. its pretty simple.. you are making a mountain out of... nothing really...

He doesnt say "we come to you because of the signS .... yadda yadda' -

He says "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God"

How does He know:
"for no one can do these signs that you do apart from the presence of God."

No mention of this being the reason for His presence... the signS are proof that Jesus is a teacher from God... a teacher from God who has just gone and smashed up God's temple, which, incidentally, is run by the 'we' (which includes Nicodemus)... funny that...

 

[Arminian]

geoff,

All He said was 'we know you are a teacher come from God' - John is assuming we can figure out we Nicodemus is there.. and there is only ONE logical reason... because of the EVENT CONNECTED WITH NICODEMUS 9the temple cleansing) which has gone before.

"For....the signs"!! That is what Nic said. So if you are correct, and there really is "ONE LOGICAL" reason, that "ONE LOGICAL" reason can't be your reason because Nic said that the "ONE LOGICAL" reason was the " S I G N S"!!!!!!

ONE REASON?! "SIGNS"!!!

 

[Arminian]

No mention of this being the reason for His presence... the signS are proof that Jesus is a teacher from God... a teacher from God who has just gone and smashed up God's temple, which, incidentally, is run by the 'we' (which includes Nicodemus)... funny that...

...a teacher that did many things that week. Funny that Nic never mentioned the ONE REASON you wanted him to mention. Now we're forced to read what he said to figure out what he was thinking.

 

[Arminian]

Nicodemus didnt say he came because of the signs, he said the signs were proof that Jesus was from God.. its pretty simple.. you are making a mountain out of... nothing really...

No, you just can't differentiate between what the author is doing and what the character is doing. And, in addition, you projected motivations upon the character that are not there.