Are you Going to Heaven?

[aCultureWarrior]

Repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved. So, what is it that YOU think a person repents from to be saved?

I liked that first sentence so much that I want to read it again:

"Repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved".
You're not going to be popular with those that think that they can keep on living a sinful life and receive God's grace (i.e. the cheap grace crowd).

You tell me why a person needs to repent if as you say it's "an absolute requirement to be saved".

 

[OZOS]

I liked that first sentence so much that I want to read it again:

"Repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved".
You're not going to be popular with those that think that they can keep on living a sinful life and receive God's grace (i.e. the cheap grace crowd).

You tell me why a person needs to repent if as you say it's "an absolute requirement to be saved".

CW, let's back up and answer my question, if you don't mind.

So, what is it that YOU think a person repents from to be saved?

It's a fairly simple question.

And again, there is no such thing as "cheap grace". So, here is another simple question...

How do you know that you sin?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

CW, let's back up and answer my question, if you don't mind.

So, what is it that YOU think a person repents from to be saved?

It's a fairly simple question.

And again, there is no such thing as "cheap grace". So, here is another simple question...

How do you know that you sin?

I can't tell you how much admiration I gained for you when you stated:

"Repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved".

So that we can get those that don't think that "repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved" on the right track, how about you explain why it's a requirement, as I'd hate to see people blindly thinking that they can spend eternity with God without first repenting.

And no, there is no such thing as "cheap grace". Doesn't that make you mad as heck when people use God's grace and cheapen it by thinking that they don't have to repent in order to receive it?

Wait, surely you don't think that God allows everyone into Heaven without first having certain expectations of them do you?

 

[OZOS]

I can't tell you how much admiration I gained for you when you stated:

"Repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved".

Yes, you've said that more than once, and you keep using the word, but I'm certain it does not mean what you think it means.
Therefore, I'm asking you for the third time, so please don't run away from answering the question.

So, what is it that YOU think a person repents from to be saved?

Doesn't that make you mad as heck when people use God's grace and cheapen it by thinking that they don't have to repent in order to receive it?

No one has ever received God's grace without first repenting, but again, I'm fairly certain that you have no idea what that means.

Wait, surely you don't think that God allows everyone into Heaven without first having certain expectations of them do you?

God expects them to believe the gospel.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

aCultureWarrior said:

I can't tell you how much admiration I gained for you when you stated:

"Repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved".
So that we can get those that don't think that "repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved" on the right track, how about you explain why it's a requirement, as I'd hate to see people blindly thinking that they can spend eternity with God without first repenting.

Yes, you've said that more than once, and you keep using the word, but I'm certain it does not mean what you think it means.
Therefore, I'm asking you for the third time, so please don't run away from answering the question.

So, what is it that YOU think a person repents from to be saved?

Didn't you attend Moody Bible College? Surely you can tell those lost sheep who don't think repentance is necessary for eternal salvation what the biblical meaning of it is.

No one has ever received God's grace without first repenting,

There you go again, making me admire you even more. I do look forward to you explaining what the biblical definition of repentance is.

God expects them to believe the gospel.

Don't you just love Mark 1:15?

"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

BTW, how about the rest of His Word that isn't considered the gospel, take it or leave it?

 

[OZOS]

aCultureWarrior said:

I can't tell you how much admiration I gained for you when you stated:

"Repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved".
So that we can get those that don't think that "repentance is an absolute requirement to be saved" on the right track, how about you explain why it's a requirement, as I'd hate to see people blindly thinking that they can spend eternity with God without first repenting.



Didn't you attend Moody Bible College? Surely you can tell those lost sheep who don't think repentance is necessary for eternal salvation what the biblical meaning of it is.

There you go again, making me admire you even more. I do look forward to you explaining what the biblical definition of repentance is.

Don't you just love Mark 1:15?

"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

BTW, how about the rest of His Word that isn't considered the gospel, take it or leave it?

Okay, I get it, you don't know what repentance is, but you go around telling everyone that they must repent.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Okay, I get it, you don't know what repentance is, but you go around telling everyone that they must repent.

Since you spent all of that money at Moody Bible College and don't know what the biblical meaning of repentance is, how about I contact Moody and at least demand a partial refund back for you?

BTW, since you're being shy:

"A biblical definition of repentance is to make a change of mind, heart, and action, by turning away from sin and self and returning to God.
In a biblical context, repentance is recognizing that our sin is offensive to God."

What Does Repentance Truly Mean?

Explore the definition of repentance in Christianity. Learn what it means to repent, turn away from sin to God, and become a follower of Jesus Christ.

www.learnreligions.com

Hold on while I look to see if the word "works" is a synonym of action.

 

[OZOS]

Since you spent all of that money at Moody Bible College and don't know what the biblical meaning of repentance is, how about I contact Moody and at least demand a partial refund back for you?

Never been to Moody Bible College, nor do I know anything about them, you prig.

"A biblical definition of repentance is to make a change of mind"

If you had stopped there, you would have been correct, but like every other false teacher, you added to the gospel. You sound like a disciple of the godless heretic, Ray Comfort.

by turning away from sin and self and returning to God

First of all, repentance has nothing to do with doing something about sin, that is blasphemy. Jesus died for our sins, and only He is qualified to do anything about sin. Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about repenting from sin to be saved. In fact, like a blind squirrel finding a nut, you accidently posted the verse that tells us what repentance is, but it has nothing to do with doing something about sin.

"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."

You preach the same kind of repentance that the apostle Paul said was a false repentance.

"Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing. For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death."

Judas "turned away from sin" feeling sorrow for what he had done, and then he went and killed himself, because no man can justify himself through his behavior.

Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” And they said, “What is that to us? You see to it!” Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Judas attempted to repent from his sin, but that is a false repentance, the same repentance you preach. The only true repentance was exhibited by the thief on the cross, who could do nothing about his sin, so he turned (repented) and believed in the One who did everything about sin.

YOU have never done this. You are a Judas.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

My bestest friend in the whooooole wide world is very angry tonight. He's gonna tell me a thing or two about repentance.

First of all, repentance has nothing to do with doing something about sin, that is blasphemy.

So turning from a sinful lifestyle and becoming more like Christ through the Holy Spirit is blasphemy?

Jesus died for our sins, and only He is qualified to do anything about sin.

In other words, Jesus died a horrific death so that his followers could happily go on sinning? Sounds like a mockery of Christ to me, and well, God doesn't like to be mocked. <wink>

 

[OZOS]

So turning from a sinful lifestyle and becoming more like Christ through the Holy Spirit is blasphemy?

In other words, Jesus died a horrific death so that his followers could happily go on sinning? Sounds like a mockery of Christ to me, and well, God doesn't like to be mocked. <wink>

Nowhere in the Bible does it teach any such thing as "turning from sin to become more like Jesus". You made that up. In fact, it is indeed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit to suggest that we become more like Jesus through our own effort, rather than by believing what Christ has done.

 

[This Charming Manc]

My bestest friend in the whooooole wide world is very angry tonight. He's gonna tell me a thing or two about repentance.

So turning from a sinful lifestyle and becoming more like Christ through the Holy Spirit is blasphemy?

Well I think I disgaree with your bestest friend on much of the detail, I think the wrong thinking ( id think blasphemy is a bit harsh) is the thought that your repenting is what makes the difference and not christs work. Turning from sin is good, walking in the things of the spirit and not the flesh are good, but what saves? That is the Grace alone, which is accessed via faith and then goes onto produce good works.

In other words, Jesus died a horrific death so that his followers could happily go on sinning? Sounds like a mockery of Christ to me, and well, God doesn't like to be mocked. <wink>

No Jesus died a death to save us, he cares much more for u than he does of sin. So Jesus died to save us from the Effects of sin, as well as to break out bondage to it. But his focus isn't on the sin itself ,its on redeeming the sinner.

I've not talked with you in years ACW so I don't know how your journeys gone, but listening to years ago and a little bit now, I would have said your focus is much more on hating sin than loving sinners. My understanding of the Gospel story is that primarily God loves and wants to redeem sinners, and if you hate sinners you are missing his heart beat and the point of his Gospel.

 

[OZOS]

I've not talked with you in years ACW so I don't know how your journeys gone, but listening to years ago and a little bit now, I would have said your focus is much more on hating sin than loving sinners. My understanding of the Gospel story is that primarily God loves and wants to redeem sinners, and if you hate sinners you are missing his heart beat and the point of his Gospel.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Nowhere in the Bible does it teach any such thing as "turning from sin to become more like Jesus". You made that up. In fact, it is indeed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit to suggest that we become more like Jesus through our own effort, rather than by believing what Christ has done.

I see that you make things up about what I've said as you go along (sigh, libertarians). As you learned from one of my earlier posts, while turning from sin is a big part of repentance (if it wasn't important to Jesus He wouldn't have told the adulterer that He let go due to a lack of evidence to "Go and sin no more"), a change of heart and mind are integral parts of repentance as well. Also, as per your request from an earlier post, I provided several verses from Holy Scripture stating that the goal of the Christian is to be "more like Christ".
That being said: I would like to address two very embarrassing statements that you made yesterday which makes me question if you've ever even studied the Bible.

Judas "turned away from sin" feeling sorrow for what he had done, and then he went and killed himself, because no man can justify himself through his behavior.

Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” And they said, “What is that to us? You see to it!” Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself."

While Jesus was born so that someday He would die on the cross and hence Judas being a part of God's plan for that, you've addressed correctly how Judas almost repented. Judas was remorseful (a change of mind) and returned the 30 pieces of silver that he received for betraying Jesus (actions), but he didn't have a change of heart. People kill themselves all of the time out of shame, as Judas did. Had Judas prayed to Jesus to forgive Him and had faith that He would, Jesus would have forgiven Judas as the only unforgivable sin if that of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12: 31-32)

The only true repentance was exhibited by the thief on the cross, who could do nothing about his sin, so he turned (repented) and believed in the One who did everything about sin.

Of course the convicted thief who was about to be crucified next to Jesus couldn't take actions to repent of his previous sinful behavior, as he was going to die within minutes. Do you really believe that if the thief were given a stay of execution and released that Jesus wouldn't have cared if he went back to stealing again? As I've said before: that's a recipe for anarchy in Heaven as well as here on earth. Jesus isn't cheap with His grace.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I've not talked with you in years ACW...

I remember you, you were one of the many devout defenders of homosexuality that would show up now and again in my now 6 part thread entitled "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!". If my memory serves me correctly, you were a devout defender of baby killer and all around moral degenerate Martin Luther King Jr., someone whose ties to the communists were so strong that he compared our brave GI's sacrificing their lives in Vietnam to the Nazis.

How have you been TCM?

 

[This Charming Manc]

I remember you, you were one of the many devout defenders of homosexuality that would show up now and again in my now 6 part thread entitled "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!". If my memory serves me correctly, you were a devout defender of baby killer and all around moral degenerate Martin Luther King Jr., someone whose ties to the communists were so strong that he compared our brave GI's sacrificing their lives in Vietnam to the Nazis.

How have you been TCM?

Life's complex and full of ups and downs, but im OK.

You have me wrong I take a traditional christian line on both homosexuality and abortion. I just don't do it with the hate and bile that you do.

I'm not sure why you think MLK was pro abortion he wasn't. It just seems like to hate, accuse and belittle people.

The truth is non of us has any righteousness before God, so you don't seem any more righteous by belittling others.

We are all degenerate sinners in front of the almighty, apart from by the Grace of God.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

aCultureWarrior said:
I remember you, you were one of the many devout defenders of homosexuality that would show up now and again in my now 6 part thread entitled "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!". If my memory serves me correctly, you were a devout defender of baby killer and all around moral degenerate Martin Luther King Jr., someone whose ties to the communists were so strong that he compared our brave GI's sacrificing their lives in Vietnam to the Nazis.

Life's complex and full of ups and downs, but im OK.

You'd be surprised how uncomplex life can be when you seek and embrace the Word of God.

You have me wrong I take a traditional christian line on both homosexuality and abortion. I just don't do it with the hate and bile that you do.

I'm pretty sure that you posted in the early WHMBR! threads and it wasn't in defense of righteous laws recriminalizing homosexuality. BTW, your good buddy Ozos had kind words to say to me early on in Part 6:

The TITLE of this thread claims that homosexuality should be re-criminalized. I said the same thing, so no "subject" was "changed". You are clearly a complete moron, or a homosexual. Probably both.

Do you have any idea how much I love making all of the right enemies?

I'm not sure why you think MLK was pro abortion he wasn't. It just seems like to hate, accuse and belittle people.

Being the first co-recipient of the Margaret Sanger/Planned Parenthood Baby Butcher Award, kinda sorta gave it away.
The Politically Incorrect Truth About Martin Luther King Jr. | TheologyOnline


Since we're on the subject of and "hate and bile", I did enjoy reading your negative rep to me where you stated

"you really area racist hateful retard".

Being that it's Valentines Day today, would you be so kind as to send me more love letters? (I do enjoy making all the right enemies).

The truth is non of us has any righteousness before God, so you don't seem any more righteous by belittling others.

I only mock proud and unrepentant sinners. How come you haven't repented, do you think I enjoy mocking you?

We are all degenerate sinners in front of the almighty, apart from by the Grace of God.

You use the word degenerate a bit loosely. God's grace is wonderful isn't it? Too bad that you don't realize that He doesn't give that grace to unrepentant sinners.
What Does the Bible Say About Unrepented Sin? (openbible.info)

 

[OZOS]

I see that you make things up about what I've said as you go along (sigh, libertarians).

Quoting your words is NOT "making things up".

As you learned from one of my earlier posts, while turning from sin is a big part of repentance (if it wasn't important to Jesus He wouldn't have told the adulterer that He let go due to a lack of evidence to "Go and sin no more"), a change of heart and mind are integral parts of repentance as well.

It's obvious from those comments that you lack a fundamental understanding of several vital aspects of the gospel.

1. Jesus was born under the Law
2. Jesus taught the Law to those under the Law in order to prove that no man is justified by the Law
3. A will or covenant does not go into effect until the one who makes it dies.
4. Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the whole world. It is finished.
5. Jesus was raised from the dead for our justification to receive His life.
6. Salvation is receiving His life.
7. Those who have His life are the righteousness of God. They are sanctified, holy, blameless, and complete.
8. No one, who is in Christ, can become "more like Christ", for they are already "one spirit with Him", having been made in His likeness.
9. Those who attempt to become "more like Christ" are walking according to the flesh.
10. In the gospel, repentance has NOTHING to do with anyone doing SOMETHING about sin. Repentance is turning to Jesus, because you can't do ANYTHING about sin, and trusting Him who did EVERYTHING about sin.

Also, as per your request from an earlier post, I provided several verses from Holy Scripture stating that the goal of the Christian is to be "more like Christ".

You did no such thing.

That being said: I would like to address two very embarrassing statements that you made yesterday which makes me question if you've ever even studied the Bible.

You're delusional, not in Christ, and have never believed the gospel.

While Jesus was born so that someday He would die on the cross and hence Judas being a part of God's plan for that, you've addressed correctly how Judas almost repented. Judas was remorseful (a change of mind) and returned the 30 pieces of silver that he received for betraying Jesus (actions), but he didn't have a change of heart. People kill themselves all of the time out of shame, as Judas did. Had Judas prayed to Jesus to forgive Him and had faith that He would, Jesus would have forgiven Judas as the only unforgivable sin if that of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12: 31-32)

Jesus chose Judas because He knew he had a heart like yours and would never repent from trying to do something about sin. Like you, he knew he did something "bad" and attempted to fix things by doing something "good". Like you, he continued to partake from the wrong tree.

Of course the convicted thief who was about to be crucified next to Jesus couldn't take actions to repent of his previous sinful behavior, as he was going to die within minutes.

He did repent. He turned to Jesus and trusted in what He was doing about sin.

Do you really believe that if the thief were given a stay of execution and released that Jesus wouldn't have cared if he went back to stealing again?

Based on that which reveals sin, YOU have never stopped sinning. God does not grade on the curve.

Jesus isn't cheap with His grace.

You don't have a clue what grace is, or repentance, or salvation. You are still walking after the flesh.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

You really need to cut down on the amount of sock puppet accounts that you have so that you can answer my posts sooner than in a couple of days.

1. Jesus was born under the Law

And the congregation in unison said "Duh! All Jews are born under the 613 laws of the Torah, i.e. the Law of Moses."

8. No one, who is in Christ, can become "more like Christ", for they are already "one spirit with Him", having been made in His likeness.

Yet I posted several verses from Holy Scripture saying differently.

9. Those who attempt to become "more like Christ" are walking according to the flesh.
10. In the gospel, repentance has NOTHING to do with anyone doing SOMETHING about sin. Repentance is turning to Jesus, because you can't do ANYTHING about sin, and trusting Him who did EVERYTHING about sin.

One of your constant lies is that you're passing off that I believe that people can repent without Christ in their life. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Have a nice libertarian day and cut down on those sock puppet accounts. <wink>

 

[OZOS]

You really need to cut down on the amount of sock puppet accounts that you have so that you can answer my posts sooner than in a couple of days.

I have a life, other than TOL, and you are at the bottom of my priority list in every area of life. Get over yourself, skippy.

 

[OZOS]

Have a nice libertarian day and cut down on those sock puppet accounts. <wink>

I am not a libertarian, and this is the only account I have.

One of your constant lies is that you're passing off that I believe that people can repent without Christ in their life. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I have yet to lie about anything, Mr. Dung Breath, and those who are in Christ have already repented. In fact, only unbelievers can repent to be saved. You still are greatly confused about repentance and salvation, as are all those who don't know the gospel.

If you want to discuss repentance concerning behavior, anyone can do that (believer or unbeliever), and should, but it has nothing to do with righteousness or the gospel. Again, you conflate morality and righteousness, which is why you are such a prig.