Biden provides a peek into the progressive Jewish mindset

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Biden provides a peek into the progressive Jewish mindset

President Biden has released a proclamation for Jewish American Heritage Month. This was almost certainly written by Jewish staffers and vetted by whoever is in charge of Jewish communal relations, so it provides an interesting insight into the mindset of the subtype of American Jews who are politically active in progressive politics.

Several things of note.

First, there is no mention of God or of the Jewish religion, beyond a nod to American religious freedom. Instead, there a reference to “Jewish values.”

Second, there is no specific mention of American Jewish contributions to the arts, commerce, education, or science, despite many Jews who have had prominent roles in each area. But there is an entire paragraph celebrating Jews’ contributions to progressive causes:

As our Nation strives to heal these wounds and overcome these challenges, let us acknowledge and celebrate the crucial contributions that Jewish Americans have made to our collective struggle for a more just and fair society; leading movements for social justice, working to ensure that the opportunities they have secured are extended to others, and heeding the words of the Torah, ‘Justice, justice shall you pursue.’​

This is followed by a second, vaguer paragraph that alludes to “tikkun olam” (healing the world), a concept that has become a virtual substitute religion for progressive Jews, so much so that some have taken to suggesting that for a segment of American Jews “tikkun olamism” has replaced Judaism:

A central concept in Judaism, ‘l’dor v’dor,’ or ‘from generation to generation,’ recognizes both the continuity of the Jewish people and the intergenerational responsibility we have to heal the world for our children. During Jewish American Heritage Month, we honor Jewish Americans, who, inspired by Jewish values and American ideals, have engaged in the ongoing work of forming a more perfect union.​

Third, there is an acknowledgment that, “In recent years, Jewish Americans have increasingly been the target of white nationalism and the antisemitic violence it fuels.” There is no similar acknowledgment of, or even allusion to, antisemitic violence American Jews have faced from Islamists and Black radicals, which includes two recent murders by the latter.

Fourth, there is no acknowledgment of Jews’ roles in resettling Holocaust survivors, assisting with the establishment and survival of the State of Israel, and advocacy for Soviet and Ethiopian Jews, the three greatest specifically Jewish accomplishments of the American Jewish community.

Admittedly, this is only one presidential proclamation. But it does reflect the Jewish worldview of a large swathe of American Jewry: secular, proud of their Jewish heritage mostly as a reflection of pride in Jews’ contributions to left-wing politics, a sense of Jews as victims of right-wing, and only right-wing, antisemitism, and a lack of concern for Jews’ ties with their co-religionists around the world.

Unfortunately, while the proclamation gives a nod to “Jewish continuity” this form of deracinated Jewish identity is highly unlikely to survive another generation or two.
 

Trump Gurl

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Biden is a fake Catholic who is actually anti-Catholic. It stands to reason that he props up fake Jews.
Any Catholic and any Jew who is pro abortion, pro gay marriage, and pro socialism, is a fake Catholic and a fake Jew.

EDIT: And not just Catholics but all other Christians too for that matter.
 

chair

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Biden is a fake Catholic who is actually anti-Catholic. It stands to reason that he props up fake Jews.
Any Catholic and any Jew who is pro abortion, pro gay marriage, and pro socialism, is a fake Catholic and a fake Jew.

EDIT: And not just Catholics but all other Christians too for that matter.
Since such a fine kind young catholic lady has decided who is a real Jew and who is a fake Jew, who am I to argue? One might foolishly think that the Jews can decide for themselves, laughable as it sounds. But no- Ms. Trump Girl has, in her brilliant way, decided for us!
 

Trump Gurl

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Since such a fine kind young catholic lady . . .

I am actually.

Since such a fine kind young catholic lady has decided who is a real Jew and who is a fake Jew, who am I to argue? One might foolishly think that the Jews can decide for themselves, laughable as it sounds. But no- Ms. Trump Girl has, in her brilliant way, decided for us!

Your intention is to mock, but much like the High Priest Caiaphas, you accidentally told the truth while trying to mock me.

Yes, I CAN tell who is a fake Jew. That would be a Jew who violates his scriptures and his commandments. Gay Marriage and Abortion are such violations.

No, Jews CANNOT decide for themselves what commandments to ignore and which ones to obey, just like Catholics cannot choose which dogmas and doctrines they want to ignore or obey.

I don't need to be a Jew to identify a fake Jew.

. . . But no- Ms. Trump Girl has, in her brilliant way, decided for us!

No, God decided for you. I am merely sating that which God has commanded and you ignore.
 

chair

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For those who are actually interested, being a Jew works differently than what the fine kind Catholic lady thinks.

We're tribal. You are either born in the tribe, or can join the tribe. You can be an observant Jew, or a non-observant Jew. You can follow the rules or not- but you are still a member of the tribe. You can be a socialist or a capitalist, vote any way you want- and still be a member of the tribe.

You don't become a "fake" Jew by your political ideas, anymore than one becomes a "fake" Navajo by supporting gay marriage.
 

Trump Gurl

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For those who are actually interested, being a Jew works differently than what the fine kind Catholic lady thinks. . . . .

Says the fake Jew. You disobey the commandments. You support infanticide and sodomy. If you think anyone here is stupid enough to believe that a Jew can be in good standing with God as he disobeys the commandments, supports infanticide and sodomy then you have no respect for the people here.

Oh, you may remain a Jew by blood as far as you ancestors go, but not in faith. Your ancestors would have stoned you to death.
 

chair

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Says the fake Jew. You disobey the commandments. You support infanticide and sodomy. If you think anyone here is stupid enough to believe that a Jew can be in good standing with God as he disobeys the commandments, supports infanticide and sodomy then you have no respect for the people here.

Oh, you may remain a Jew by blood as far as you ancestors go, but not in faith. Your ancestors would have stoned you to death.
Ms. Trump Girl: Do you try to follow the Ten Commandments? I ask, because you are blatantly lying here. Repeatedly.

And you have managed to not understand a thing I wrote. I wasn't talking about "standing with God". That is not what defines who is a Jew.
 

Trump Gurl

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Ms. Trump Girl: Do you try to follow the Ten Commandments?

I do.

I ask, because you are blatantly lying here. Repeatedly.

YOU are lying. I have not told one lie. Everything I said is a fact, as always.

Furthermore, don't think for a moment that people did not just notice how you just tried to take the light off of your promotion of abortion and gay marriage (promotion by way of your support for the Left) and tried to put it on me. I hold no evil positions and policies like you do.

And you have managed to not understand a thing I wrote. I wasn't talking about "standing with God". That is not what defines who is a Jew.

That's exactly what a fake Jew would say, that your standing with God does not matter. God might say differently.
 

chair

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I do.



YOU are lying. I have not told one lie. Everything I said is a fact, as always.

Furthermore, don't think for a moment that people did not just notice how you just tried to take the light off of your promotion of abortion and gay marriage (promotion by way of your support for the Left) and tried to put it on me. I hold no evil positions and policies like you do.



That's exactly what a fake Jew would say, that your standing with God does not matter. God might say differently.
You lied. Plain and simple. I never promoted abortion and gay marriage. Not in this thread, nor in any other. If you think differently- prove it.
In this thread I tried to explain to your deaf ears that a Jew doesn't become "fake" because of his views or behavior. You still don't get it.
 

Trump Gurl

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You lied. Plain and simple. I never promoted abortion and gay marriage . . .

YOU lie !!!

As I said, and you chose to ignore what I said, your promotion of them is "promotion by way of your support for the Left."

If you support a group then you support what they support.

You have spoken AGAINST the conservative government of Israel many times and against conservatives in America many times. Why? Because you are a Leftist. Its written all over your Leftist China Virus views in the other thread.

Sorry Bub, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You side with the Left, and you get associated with the policies of the Left.

As soon as you start voting for and supporting pro-life and pro-traditional marriage politicians then I will retract what I said. But haven't and you probably won't, and that's why you are the liar and I am not a liar..
 

chair

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YOU lie !!!

As I said, and you chose to ignore what I said, your promotion of them is "promotion by way of your support for the Left."

If you support a group then you support what they support.

You have spoken AGAINST the conservative government of Israel many times and against conservatives in America many times. Why? Because you are a Leftist. Its written all over your Leftist China Virus views in the other thread.

Sorry Bub, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You side with the Left, and you get associated with the policies of the Left.

As soon as you start voting for and supporting pro-life and pro-traditional marriage politicians then I will retract what I said. But haven't and you probably won't, and that's why you are the liar and I am not a liar..
"If you support a group then you support what they support." this is your first error. One can be a Republican and not agree with the entire Republican platform. Unless the Party has become dictatorial.

Disagreeing with some points or people on the right does not make one Left, nor does it mean that one accepts the entire laundry list of Leftist views.

So- you lie, and you aren't too bright either.

I don't support abortion, or gay marriage. In my country, one is allowed to criticize leaders, even those on the right. And in my country, there are many parties, and political life is a tad more complicated than your three year old black and white view.

In short- you jump to conclusions, and then lie.

Tell me when you grow up. Or if you grow honest.
 

Trump Gurl

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"If you support a group then you support what they support." this is your first error. One can be a Republican and not agree with the entire Republican platform. . . . . .

And THAT is the end of this discussion. That is so STUPID it is beyond belief.

But then again, what should we expect from a Jew who says being a Jew has nothing to do with obeying the commandments or the scriptures.

You're gone dude. Your head is totally gone, somewhere out near Pluto, or more likely Uranus. LOL

Tell me when you grow up

I am more grown up at my age than you will ever be at any age.
 

chair

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And THAT is the end of this discussion. That is so STUPID it is beyond belief.

But then again, what should we expect from a Jew who says being a Jew has nothing to do with obeying the commandments or the scriptures.

You're gone dude. Your head is totally gone, somewhere out near Pluto, or more likely Uranus. LOL



I am more grown up at my age than you will ever be at any age.
I'll try explaining one more time.

You are Catholic. Catholicism is a religion. Being Catholic means (as far as I know) accepting Catholic dogma, accepting the Pope as your leader, and behaving as Catholics are required to by Church teachings. If somebody doesn't behave or believe properly, one can say that that person is a 'fake' Catholic.

Jews are an ethnic group and a nation. Yes, we have a religion, but that isn't what defines us. This is outside your own experience, so it is hard for you to follow this. A Jew who commits a crime is a bad Jew and a criminal- but he remains a Jew. A Jew who doesn't observe the Sabbath is wrong, but he remains a Jew.

אמר רבי אבא בר זבדא אף על פי שחטא ישראל הוא

I won't respond to your insults. I do hope you'll grow out of your attitude.
 

Trump Gurl

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“See, I have set before you this day life and good, death and evil. If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you this day, by loving the Lord your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his ordinances, then you shall live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you are entering to take possession of it. But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you this day, that you shall perish; you shall not live long in the land which you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess. I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice, and cleaving to him; for that means life to you and length of days, that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
 

Trump Gurl

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. . . . Jews are an ethnic group and a nation. . . .

And yet again, I already noted that, and you ignore that I already noted that.
In post #7 I said: "you may remain a Jew by blood as far as you ancestors go, but not in faith. Your ancestors would have stoned you to death.".

. . . . Yes, we have a religion, but that isn't what defines us. . . . .

And again, that is what I would expect a faithless Jew to say. After all, what else can you say.
 

chair

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“See, I have set before you this day life and good, death and evil. If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you this day, by loving the Lord your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his ordinances, then you shall live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you are entering to take possession of it. But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you this day, that you shall perish; you shall not live long in the land which you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess. I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice, and cleaving to him; for that means life to you and length of days, that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
I love people who tell others what their beliefs are. Even the verse you quote doesn't support your view.
 

chair

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And yet again, I already noted that, and you ignore that I already noted that.
In post #7 I said: "you may remain a Jew by blood as far as you ancestors go, but not in faith. Your ancestors would have stoned you to death.".



And again, that is what I would expect a faithless Jew to say. After all, what else can you say.
Even your term "faithless" shows your ignorance.

By the way, how many times have you been at prayers today? I've been three times.
 

Trump Gurl

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“See, I have set before you this day life and good, death and evil. If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you this day, by loving the Lord your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his ordinances, then you shall live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you are entering to take possession of it. But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you this day, that you shall perish; you shall not live long in the land which you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess. I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice, and cleaving to him; for that means life to you and length of days, that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.” - Deuteronomy 30:15-20
I love people who tell others what their beliefs are . . .

I love how your hackles are up at a simple scripture quote. Did I strike a guilty nerve? None doth protest so loudly as the guilty party.


Even your term "faithless" shows your ignorance.

No, it describes your faithlessness. And now we go all the way back to post #3
 

Trump Gurl

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You're done. Stick a fork in you.

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