Can you be a Christian and a Socialist? The Popes Say No

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Can you be a Christian and a Socialist? The Popes Say No
Popes have taught clearly that "Christian" and "Socialist" are mutually exclusive
https://taylormarshall.com/2017/09/c...es-say-no.html


Pope John Paul II as Reaffirming Leo XIII’s original condemnation of Socialism:
On the 100th anniversary of Pope Leo XIII’s condemnation of Socialism, Pope John Paul II issued the document Centesimus Annus reiterating the Catholic condemnation of Socialism:
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“It may seem surprising that Socialism appeared at the beginning of the Pope’s critique of solutions to the ‘question of the working class’ at a time when ‘socialism’ was not yet in the form of a strong and powerful State, with all the resources which that implies, as was later to happen. However, he correctly judged the danger posed to the masses by the attractive presentation of this simple and radical solution to the ‘question of the working class.’” (John Paul II, Centesimus Annus, May 1, 1991, n. 12)​


John Paul II lived under Socialism and understood its corruption of the working class. He perceived Leo XIII as a prophetic voice at the turn of the century.

The Popes of the 20th century explicitly teach that whether we modify Socialism in the shape of “Moderate Socialism,” or “Christian Socialism,” or “Theistic Socialism,” it still doesn’t fit into Catholic teaching. Socialism is not Christian and never will be Christian

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Pope Paul VI on Socialism as Corrupt Ideology:


And Pope Paul VI also condemned Socialism in 1971 on the 80th anniversary of Pope Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum against Socialism:
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“Too often Christians attracted by Socialism tend to idealize it in terms which, apart from anything else, are very general: a will for justice, solidarity and equality. They refuse to recognize the limitations of the historical socialist movements, which remain conditioned by the ideologies from which they originated.” (Paul VI, Octogesima Adveniens, May 14, 1971, n. 31)​
 
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Does Catholicism Support Socialism?
FR. CHARLES GRONDIN
https://www.catholic.com/qa/does-catholicism-support-socialism

Question:
Are the principles of the Socialist Party the same as those of the Catholic Church?

Answer:
No, the Catholic Church explicitly rejects socialism.
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If Socialism, like all errors, contains some truth (which, moreover, the supreme pontiffs have never denied), it is based nevertheless on a theory of human society peculiar to itself and irreconcilable with true Christianity. Religious socialism, Christian socialism, are contradictory terms; no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist (Pius XI’s Quadragesimo Anno, 120).

The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with “communism” or “socialism” (Catechism, 2425).​

Pope Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum explicitly rejects several main tenants of socialism.

Socialism severely curtails rights to private property. The Church, on the other hand, upholds the individual’s right to private property (Catechism, 2401).
 
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Liberating a Continent - Pope John Paul II and Mikhail Gorbachev of the USSR

Excerpt from the documentary film Liberating a Continent: John Paul II and the Fall of Communism. George Weigel introduces us to the meeting between Pope John Paul II and Mikhail Gorbachev in 1989. Gorbachev introduced his wife to Pope John Paul II as the "foremost moral voice on the earth."

 
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Pope Francis on Capialism:

Rather than merely balancing budgets, improving infrastructures or offering a wider variety of consumer goods, this means a “renewal, purification and strengthening of solid economic models based on our own personal conversion and generosity to those in need”.


“An economic system detached from ethical concerns,” he warned, “does not bring about a more just social order, but leads instead to a “throw-away” culture of consumption and waste.” When the moral dimension of economic life is recognized, he said, we are able to “act with fraternal charity, desiring, seeking and protecting the good of others and their integral development.”


“In the end, it is not simply a matter of “having more”, but “being more”, the Pope said.



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He's simply not capable of the task.
 
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Trump Gurl said:
That's not how it works. I am not going to argue how Catholic teaching is structured with an idiot who believes a fat Chinese guy is a god.
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That's exactly how you're working it. I simply quoted the current Pope representing current Catholicism. You, on the otherhand, quoted select bygone statements from a former Pope (circa 1991) in an inane effort of intentional misrepresentation....you were rebuked by contemporary opinions.

If you have an issue with the current Pope/21st century Catholicism....that's your problem.
 
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quip said:
That's exactly how you're working it. I simply quoted the current Pope representing current Catholicism. You, on the otherhand, quoted select bygone statements from a former Pope (circa 1991) in an inane effort of intentional misrepresentation....you were rebuked by contemporary opinions.

If you have an issue with the current Pope/21st century Catholicism....that's your problem.
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Well, isn't there the whole "papal infallibility" thing going on there?
 
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quip said:
I simply quoted the current Pope
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And I am telling you that the personal comments of one pope do not supersede Catholic teaching. A pope cannot undo centuries of teaching. Explaining the hierarchy of Catholic teaching to you would be a waste of time because your only interest is posting and promoting evil.
 
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Socialism Has Been Condemned For 20 Centuries
One would be hard-pressed to find an error that has been condemned more often, more strongly, by more popes, for more serious reasons, than socialism.
https://www.ncregister.com/blog/johnclark/socialism-has-been-condemned-for-20-centuries

- - - The Church has consistently maintained that socialism, in addition to its other problems, violates the rights of the family. As Pope Leo XIII put it in Rerum Novarum, “The socialists, therefore, in setting aside the parent and setting up a State supervision, act against natural justice, and destroy the structure of the home.” If those words are harsh, reality has proven far harsher: the fact that the most outspoken socialists often beat the loudest drum for abortion would come as no surprise to Pope Leo XIII. In Leo’s view, because socialism gets God wrong, it gets man wrong; because it gets man wrong, it gets the family wrong - - -

- - - there comes a point at which creeping taxation becomes socialism. It matters little whether it takes the form of outright state confiscation of property or confiscatory taxation; either way, the rights of private property have been encroached upon and injustice has been committed by denying a person his or her due. As Pope Leo wrote in Rerum Novarum: “The State would therefore be unjust and cruel if under the name of taxation it were to deprive the private owner of more than is fair.” One might call this system “moderate socialism,” but Pope John XXIII wrote in Mater et Magistra that “no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism.”

Moreover, let’s be clear: the discussion we are now having in America goes far beyond a progressive tax code that seeks to send a few extra dollars to feed the poor. The current icon of American socialism, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (whose photo headlines the America article), is campaigning on the promise that tax dollars—plenty of tax dollars—be collected to fund abortions. Bernie Sanders, whose name is almost synonymous with socialism, has voted in favor of federal funding of abortion as well as the international funding of abortion. In practice, this means that American fathers and mothers of families will be disallowed the liberty of making some decisions for the material betterment of their own children, so that others can scare up the tax money to abort theirs. If that’s not an example of “acting against natural justice,” and “destroying the structure of the home,” what is?

The notion that the form of socialism now being advanced in America is somehow compatible with official Catholic teaching requires one to ignore or reject a great deal of Catholic social and moral doctrine. In fact, one would be hard-pressed to find an error that has been condemned more often, more strongly, by more popes, for more serious reasons, than socialism.
 
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Trump Gurl said:
And I am telling you that the personal comments of one pope do not supersede Catholic teaching. A pope cannot undo centuries of teaching. Explaining the hierarchy of Catholic teaching to you would be a waste of time because your only interest is posting and promoting evil.
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"Personal comments"? What's wrong with them and how do they go against "Catholic teaching" exactly? Or do they?
 
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