Corrupt Modern Versions Teach Pride as a Virtue

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Corrupt Modern Versions Teach Pride as a Virtue

Rejoice or Be Proud?

In the true Holy Bible boasting in oneself is never commended as a good thing. Scripture allows for boasting in the accomplishments of others, but not in ourselves. For example, see 2 Corinthians 7:14; 8:24, and 9:3-4. Here the apostle Paul boasted to others of the Corinthians because they were ready to provide for the needs of the poor saints in Jerusalem.

Boasting in oneself is done only in a sense of irony, and is called "folly" and speaking foolishly - See 2 Corinthians 11:1, 10, 16-18 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also."

Pride and boasting in oneself is always condemned in the King James Bible as being a sin. Many new versions however have completely turned this around in several verses of Scripture, and have now made pride in self and boasting to be Christian virtues.

"Pride and arrogancy...do I hate" Proverbs 8:13

"When pride cometh, then cometh shame; but with the lowly is wisdom. Proverbs 11:2

"Pride goeth before destruction" Proverbs 16:18

"This know also that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be...boasters, proud...heady, highminded" 2 Timothy 3:1-4. "not of works; lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:9

Compare the King James Bible with the NASB, NIV, ESV, Holman Standard, the Catholic versions and the NKJV in these verses.

Galatians 6:4 KJB "Let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have REJOICING in himself alone."

REJOICING is the reading of Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Whiston's N.T. 1745, John Wesley's 1755 translation, The Revised Translation 1815, Webster's 1833 translation, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, Godbey N.T. 1902, The Clarke N.T. 1913, the NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, KJV 21st Century 1994, the Third Millennium Bible 1998, God's First Truth 1999, Last Days Bible 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 -"he will REJOICE in what he has done", Bond Slave Version 2009, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014.

However the NASB and Holman say: "he will have REASON FOR BOASTING in regard TO himself"

NIV, Dan Wallace's NET version - "he can TAKE PRIDE IN HIMSELF",

and the ESV says: "then his REASON TO BOAST WILL BE IN HIMSELF ALONE."

Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 - "IF HE HAS A REASON TO BOAST OF ANYTHING, IT WILL BE BECAUSE THE ACHIEVEMENT IS HIS"

The Voice 2012 says: “ Examine your own works so that IF YOU ARE PROUD, IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN ACCOMPLISHMENTS and not someone else’s.”



James 1:9 KJB "Let the brother of low degree REJOICE in that he is exalted."

"REJOICE in that he is exalted" = Tyndale 1534, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Whiston's N.T. 1745, Worsley Version 1770, Thomas Haweis N.T. 1795, The Revised Translation 1815, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, Sawyer N. T. 1858, Weymouth N.T. 1912, The Clarke N.T. 1913, The Word of Yah 1993, The Last Days Bible 1999, God's First Truth 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, Green's Literal 2005, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 (Vince Garcia), Bond Slave Version 2009, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014 - "REJOICE in that he is exalted."

The Voice 2012 - “If you are a brother of humble means, CELEBRATE THE FACT that God has raised you up.”

New Life Version 1969 - "A Christian brother who has few riches of this world SHOULD BE HAPPY for what he has."

The Perversions



The NASB, NKJV say: "the brother of humble circumstances IS TO GLORY in his high position"

NIV - "the brother in humble circumstances OUGHT TO TAKE PRIDE IN his high position."

RSV, ESV, and Holman: "Let the lowly brother BOAST IN his exaltation."

Dan Wallace's NET version - "SHOULD TAKE PRIDE IN his high position".

Catholic St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 - "TAKE PRIDE IN HIS EMINENCE."



2 Corinthians 1:12, 14 "For our REJOICING is this...by the grace of God we have had our conversation in the world...we are your REJOICING, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus."

So read the KJB, Tyndale 1534, Coverdale 1535, The Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, The Revised Translation 1815, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, The Clarke N.T. 1913, The Word of Yah 1993, 21st Century KJV 1994, Third Millennium Bible 1998, God's First Truth 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 (Vince Garcia), Bond Slave Version 2009, Jubilee Bible 2010, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, The BRG Bible 2012, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014 - "For our REJOICING is this..."



The Perversions



NASB "For our PROUD CONFIDENCE is this...that in holiness...we have conducted ourselves in the world...we are YOUR REASON TO BE PROUD, as you also are ours..."

NKJV, NIV, RSV, ESV "Now this is our BOAST...we behaved ourselves in the world...YOU CAN BOAST OF US just as we will BOAST OF YOU in the day of the Lord Jesus."

Holman Standard: "For our BOAST is this....we are YOUR REASON FOR PRIDE..." Dan Wallace's NET version - "that WE ARE YOUR SOURCE OF PRIDE JUST AS YOU ARE OF OURS in the day of the Lord Jesus."

Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970, Douay version 1950, New Jerusalem bible 1985 - "Conscience gives testimony TO THE BOAST that in our behavior toward all...that WE SHALL BE YOUR BOAST AND YOU OURS, on the day of the Lord Jesus."

Jehovah Witness New World Translation - "FOR THE THING WE BOAST OF IS THIS...that WE ARE A CAUSE FOR YOU TO BOAST, JUST AS YOU WILL ALSO BE FOR US in the day of the Lord Jesus."



1 Thessalonians 2:19 - "For what is our hope, or joy, or crown OF REJOICING? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?"

"crown of REJOICING" is the reading found in the KJB, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1582, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Wesley 1755, The Revised Translation 1815, Webster's 1833, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, Youngs 1898, The Clarke N.T. 1913, NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, KJV 21st Century 1994, Third Millennium Bible 1998, Hebrew Names Version, God's First Truth 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life New Testament 2005 (Vince Garcia), Bond Slave Version 2009, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Jubilee Bible 2010, Hebraic Transliteration Scriptures 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, Mounce Interlinear 2011, BRG Bible 2012, World English Bible 2012 - "crown of REJOICING?", and Modern English Version 2014.



New Life Version 1969 - "What is our crown of HAPPINESS?"

The Last Days Bible 1999 - "What would truly MAKE US HAPPY?"

International Standard Version 2014 - "reason for REJOICING in the presence of our Lord"

The NASB, and Hebrew-Greek Interlinear 2010 (Mebust) are OK here with "what is our crown of EXULTATION?"

but the NIV begins the slide into pride with "What is the crown in which WE WILL GLORY"?,

and the RSV, the 2011 ESV and Holman Standard go all the way saying: "For what is our hope or joy or CROWN OF BOASTING before our Lord Jesus at his coming? Is it not you?"

The Common English Bible 2011 (another Critical text version) - "or CROWN THAT WE CAN BRAG ABOUT IN FRONT OF OUR LORD JESUS WHEN HE COMES?

International Children’s Bible 2015 - “and THE CROWN WE WILL BE PROUD OF when our Lord Jesus Christ comes."

Names of God Bible 2011 - “or PRIZE THAT WE CAN BRAG ABOUT in the presence of our Lord Yeshua when he comes?

Dan Wallace NET version - “For who is our hope or joy or crown TO BOAST OF BEFORE OUR LORD JESUS AT HIS COMING? Is it not of course you?”

Do the apostles get a crown in which to boast and brag because they had won others to the Lord?



Philippians 1:26 "That your REJOICING may be more abundant in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again."



"your REJOICING may be more abundant" = Tyndale 1534, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1582, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Whiston's N.T. 1745, Wesley's N.T. 1755, The Revised Translation 1815, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, The Clarke N.T. 1913, NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, Third Millennium Bible 1998, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 and The Modern English Version 2014.

NASB "so that YOUR PROUD CONFIDENCE in me may abound"

RSV, ESV "you will have ample CAUSE TO GLORY"

Catholic St. Joseph NAB "My being with you once again should MAKE YOU EVEN PROUDER of me in Christ."

In Philippians 1:26 the NIV 1984 edition has "So that through my being with you again your JOY in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me." which is perfectly acceptable.

However the "new" NIV 2011 changed this to now read: "So that through my being with you again YOUR BOASTING in Christ Jesus will abound on account of me."

Dan Wallace NET version - “so that WHAT YOU CAN BE PROUD OF MAY INCREASE BECAUSE OF ME in Christ Jesus, when I come back to you."

Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 - "My being with you once again SHOULD MAKE YOU EVEN PROUDER OF ME in Christ."

Rejoicing is not the same as proud confidence. Greek words often have multiple meanings, and the ones used in these verses can mean to glory, to boast, to joy, or to rejoice, depending on the context and intent. All the modern versions will at times render these words as "to rejoice", "to joy", or "to exult". It is when they translate them so as to make pride and boasting in oneself a Christian virtue rather than a sin that they clearly have perverted the true words of God.



Philippians 2:16 "that I may REJOICE in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."

Also reading "that I may REJOICE in the day of Christ" are Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, The Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Worsley Version 1770, The Revised Translation 1815, Living Oracles 1835, The Longman Version 1841, Young's literal 1898, Webster's translation 1833, The Commonly Received Version 1851, The Clarke N.T. 1913, the NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, KJV 21st Century Version 1994, the Third Millennium Bible 1998, Lawrie Translation 1998, Last Days Bible 1999, God's First Truth 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life New Testament 2005 (Vince Garcia), Bond Slave Version 2009, Majority Text Version 2009 (Paul Esposito), Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, New European Version 2010, BRG Bible 2012, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014.



Other Versions

Living Bible 1971 - “Then when Christ returns, HOW GLAD I WILL BE that my work among you was so worthwhile.”

Conservative Bible 2011 - "that I MAY BE GLAD in the day of Christ that I did not work for nothing."

Expanded Bible 2011 - "I CAN BE HAPPY that I ran the race and won."

The Voice 2012 - “when the Anointed One returns I may have reason TO REJOICE, because it will be plain that I didn’t turn from His mission nor did I work in vain.”

International Children’s Bible 2015 - “So when Christ comes again, I CAN BE HAPPY because my work was not wasted. I ran in the race and won.”

The Perversions

NASB: "in the day of Christ I may have REASON TO GLORY because I did not run in vain"

Dan Wallace's NET version: "so that on the day of Christ I WILL HAVE A REASON TO BOAST that I did not run in vain nor labor in vain."

Holman Standard: "Then I CAN BOAST in the day of Christ that I didn't run in vain or labor for nothing."

NIV 1982 "in order that I MAY BOAST in the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing."

NIV 2011 - "And then I WILL BE ABLE TO BOAST on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain."

ESV 2011 "THAT I MAY BE PROUD that I did not run in vain"

God’s Word Translation 1995 - “THEN I CAN BRAG ON THE DAY OF CHRIST that my effort was not wasted and that my work produced results.”

Names of God Bible 2011 - “THEN I CAN BRAG ON THE DAY OF CHRIST that my effort was not wasted and that my work produced results.”

The Catholic Connection



Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 : "As I look to the day of Christ, you give me CAUSE TO BOAST that I did not run the race in vain."

Catholic New Jerusalem bible 1985: "Then shall I HAVE REASON TO BE PROUD on the day of Christ, for it will not be for nothing that I have run the race."


On the day of Christ, when we finally see the full glory of God Almighty, we will not be standing around boasting of our accomplishments and patting one another on the back and telling them how proud we are of them. Nobody will be boasting or proud of his personal accomplishments in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Instead we will all be flat on our faces worshipping the Lamb who alone is worthy to receive praise, honour and glory, and rejoicing in all that He has done in and through His vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory.

A common response when both angels and men come into immediate contact with the living God is to fall on their faces in worship before Him. “And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, AND FELL BEFORE THE THRONE ON THEIR FACES, and worshipped God.”

Revelation 7:11. See also Revelation 4:10; 5:8; 11:16 “And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, FELL UPON THEIR FACES and worshipped God.”; 19:4, 10; Exodus 3:6; Exodus 34:8 Immediately after God revealed His glory and holy character unto Moses, we read: "And Moses made haste, and BOWED HIS HEAD TOWARD THE EARTH, and worshipped."

Ezekiel 1:28 “This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD, And when I saw it, I FELL UPON MY FACE, and I heard a voice of one that spake.”; Daniel 10:7-9; Isaiah 6:1-5; and Matthew 17:5-6 “...behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, THEY FELL ON THEIR FACE, and were sore afraid.”

The King James Bible is God's pure and 100% written truth. The modern versions are getting worse, not better. And they promote as virtue what God considers to be the stench of the flesh - boasting in men and in oneself.

"And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day." Isaiah 2:17
 

God's Truth

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It seems that you can't decipher haughtiness and braggadocios type of human behavior for things that are bad from things that are righteous and honorable.

The kind of things we are not to be proud of are sinful things, like committing adultery with a lot of women, or having a lot of money to waste on meaningless things, etc.
 

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Corrupt Modern Versions Teach Pride as a Virtue

Rejoice or Be Proud?

In the true Holy Bible boasting in oneself is never commended as a good thing. Scripture allows for boasting in the accomplishments of others, but not in ourselves. For example, see 2 Corinthians 7:14; 8:24, and 9:3-4. Here the apostle Paul boasted to others of the Corinthians because they were ready to provide for the needs of the poor saints in Jerusalem.

Boasting in oneself is done only in a sense of irony, and is called "folly" and speaking foolishly - See 2 Corinthians 11:1, 10, 16-18 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also."

Pride and boasting in oneself is always condemned in the King James Bible as being a sin. Many new versions however have completely turned this around in several verses of Scripture, and have now made pride in self and boasting to be Christian virtues.

"Pride and arrogancy...do I hate" Proverbs 8:13

"When pride cometh, then cometh shame; but with the lowly is wisdom. Proverbs 11:2

"Pride goeth before destruction" Proverbs 16:18

"This know also that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be...boasters, proud...heady, highminded" 2 Timothy 3:1-4. "not of works; lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:9

Compare the King James Bible with the NASB, NIV, ESV, Holman Standard, the Catholic versions and the NKJV in these verses.

Galatians 6:4 KJB "Let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have REJOICING in himself alone."

REJOICING is the reading of Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Whiston's N.T. 1745, John Wesley's 1755 translation, The Revised Translation 1815, Webster's 1833 translation, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, Godbey N.T. 1902, The Clarke N.T. 1913, the NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, KJV 21st Century 1994, the Third Millennium Bible 1998, God's First Truth 1999, Last Days Bible 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 -"he will REJOICE in what he has done", Bond Slave Version 2009, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014.

However the NASB and Holman say: "he will have REASON FOR BOASTING in regard TO himself"

NIV, Dan Wallace's NET version - "he can TAKE PRIDE IN HIMSELF",

and the ESV says: "then his REASON TO BOAST WILL BE IN HIMSELF ALONE."

Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 - "IF HE HAS A REASON TO BOAST OF ANYTHING, IT WILL BE BECAUSE THE ACHIEVEMENT IS HIS"

The Voice 2012 says: “ Examine your own works so that IF YOU ARE PROUD, IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN ACCOMPLISHMENTS and not someone else’s.”



James 1:9 KJB "Let the brother of low degree REJOICE in that he is exalted."

"REJOICE in that he is exalted" = Tyndale 1534, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Whiston's N.T. 1745, Worsley Version 1770, Thomas Haweis N.T. 1795, The Revised Translation 1815, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, Sawyer N. T. 1858, Weymouth N.T. 1912, The Clarke N.T. 1913, The Word of Yah 1993, The Last Days Bible 1999, God's First Truth 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, Green's Literal 2005, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 (Vince Garcia), Bond Slave Version 2009, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014 - "REJOICE in that he is exalted."

The Voice 2012 - “If you are a brother of humble means, CELEBRATE THE FACT that God has raised you up.”

New Life Version 1969 - "A Christian brother who has few riches of this world SHOULD BE HAPPY for what he has."

The Perversions



The NASB, NKJV say: "the brother of humble circumstances IS TO GLORY in his high position"

NIV - "the brother in humble circumstances OUGHT TO TAKE PRIDE IN his high position."

RSV, ESV, and Holman: "Let the lowly brother BOAST IN his exaltation."

Dan Wallace's NET version - "SHOULD TAKE PRIDE IN his high position".

Catholic St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 - "TAKE PRIDE IN HIS EMINENCE."



2 Corinthians 1:12, 14 "For our REJOICING is this...by the grace of God we have had our conversation in the world...we are your REJOICING, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus."

So read the KJB, Tyndale 1534, Coverdale 1535, The Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, The Revised Translation 1815, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, The Clarke N.T. 1913, The Word of Yah 1993, 21st Century KJV 1994, Third Millennium Bible 1998, God's First Truth 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 (Vince Garcia), Bond Slave Version 2009, Jubilee Bible 2010, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, The BRG Bible 2012, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014 - "For our REJOICING is this..."



The Perversions



NASB "For our PROUD CONFIDENCE is this...that in holiness...we have conducted ourselves in the world...we are YOUR REASON TO BE PROUD, as you also are ours..."

NKJV, NIV, RSV, ESV "Now this is our BOAST...we behaved ourselves in the world...YOU CAN BOAST OF US just as we will BOAST OF YOU in the day of the Lord Jesus."

Holman Standard: "For our BOAST is this....we are YOUR REASON FOR PRIDE..." Dan Wallace's NET version - "that WE ARE YOUR SOURCE OF PRIDE JUST AS YOU ARE OF OURS in the day of the Lord Jesus."

Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970, Douay version 1950, New Jerusalem bible 1985 - "Conscience gives testimony TO THE BOAST that in our behavior toward all...that WE SHALL BE YOUR BOAST AND YOU OURS, on the day of the Lord Jesus."

Jehovah Witness New World Translation - "FOR THE THING WE BOAST OF IS THIS...that WE ARE A CAUSE FOR YOU TO BOAST, JUST AS YOU WILL ALSO BE FOR US in the day of the Lord Jesus."



1 Thessalonians 2:19 - "For what is our hope, or joy, or crown OF REJOICING? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?"

"crown of REJOICING" is the reading found in the KJB, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1582, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Wesley 1755, The Revised Translation 1815, Webster's 1833, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, Youngs 1898, The Clarke N.T. 1913, NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, KJV 21st Century 1994, Third Millennium Bible 1998, Hebrew Names Version, God's First Truth 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life New Testament 2005 (Vince Garcia), Bond Slave Version 2009, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Jubilee Bible 2010, Hebraic Transliteration Scriptures 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, Mounce Interlinear 2011, BRG Bible 2012, World English Bible 2012 - "crown of REJOICING?", and Modern English Version 2014.



New Life Version 1969 - "What is our crown of HAPPINESS?"

The Last Days Bible 1999 - "What would truly MAKE US HAPPY?"

International Standard Version 2014 - "reason for REJOICING in the presence of our Lord"

The NASB, and Hebrew-Greek Interlinear 2010 (Mebust) are OK here with "what is our crown of EXULTATION?"

but the NIV begins the slide into pride with "What is the crown in which WE WILL GLORY"?,

and the RSV, the 2011 ESV and Holman Standard go all the way saying: "For what is our hope or joy or CROWN OF BOASTING before our Lord Jesus at his coming? Is it not you?"

The Common English Bible 2011 (another Critical text version) - "or CROWN THAT WE CAN BRAG ABOUT IN FRONT OF OUR LORD JESUS WHEN HE COMES?

International Children’s Bible 2015 - “and THE CROWN WE WILL BE PROUD OF when our Lord Jesus Christ comes."

Names of God Bible 2011 - “or PRIZE THAT WE CAN BRAG ABOUT in the presence of our Lord Yeshua when he comes?

Dan Wallace NET version - “For who is our hope or joy or crown TO BOAST OF BEFORE OUR LORD JESUS AT HIS COMING? Is it not of course you?”

Do the apostles get a crown in which to boast and brag because they had won others to the Lord?



Philippians 1:26 "That your REJOICING may be more abundant in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again."



"your REJOICING may be more abundant" = Tyndale 1534, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1582, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Whiston's N.T. 1745, Wesley's N.T. 1755, The Revised Translation 1815, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, The Clarke N.T. 1913, NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, Third Millennium Bible 1998, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 and The Modern English Version 2014.

NASB "so that YOUR PROUD CONFIDENCE in me may abound"

RSV, ESV "you will have ample CAUSE TO GLORY"

Catholic St. Joseph NAB "My being with you once again should MAKE YOU EVEN PROUDER of me in Christ."

In Philippians 1:26 the NIV 1984 edition has "So that through my being with you again your JOY in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me." which is perfectly acceptable.

However the "new" NIV 2011 changed this to now read: "So that through my being with you again YOUR BOASTING in Christ Jesus will abound on account of me."

Dan Wallace NET version - “so that WHAT YOU CAN BE PROUD OF MAY INCREASE BECAUSE OF ME in Christ Jesus, when I come back to you."

Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 - "My being with you once again SHOULD MAKE YOU EVEN PROUDER OF ME in Christ."

Rejoicing is not the same as proud confidence. Greek words often have multiple meanings, and the ones used in these verses can mean to glory, to boast, to joy, or to rejoice, depending on the context and intent. All the modern versions will at times render these words as "to rejoice", "to joy", or "to exult". It is when they translate them so as to make pride and boasting in oneself a Christian virtue rather than a sin that they clearly have perverted the true words of God.



Philippians 2:16 "that I may REJOICE in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."

Also reading "that I may REJOICE in the day of Christ" are Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, The Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Worsley Version 1770, The Revised Translation 1815, Living Oracles 1835, The Longman Version 1841, Young's literal 1898, Webster's translation 1833, The Commonly Received Version 1851, The Clarke N.T. 1913, the NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, KJV 21st Century Version 1994, the Third Millennium Bible 1998, Lawrie Translation 1998, Last Days Bible 1999, God's First Truth 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life New Testament 2005 (Vince Garcia), Bond Slave Version 2009, Majority Text Version 2009 (Paul Esposito), Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, New European Version 2010, BRG Bible 2012, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014.



Other Versions

Living Bible 1971 - “Then when Christ returns, HOW GLAD I WILL BE that my work among you was so worthwhile.”

Conservative Bible 2011 - "that I MAY BE GLAD in the day of Christ that I did not work for nothing."

Expanded Bible 2011 - "I CAN BE HAPPY that I ran the race and won."

The Voice 2012 - “when the Anointed One returns I may have reason TO REJOICE, because it will be plain that I didn’t turn from His mission nor did I work in vain.”

International Children’s Bible 2015 - “So when Christ comes again, I CAN BE HAPPY because my work was not wasted. I ran in the race and won.”

The Perversions

NASB: "in the day of Christ I may have REASON TO GLORY because I did not run in vain"

Dan Wallace's NET version: "so that on the day of Christ I WILL HAVE A REASON TO BOAST that I did not run in vain nor labor in vain."

Holman Standard: "Then I CAN BOAST in the day of Christ that I didn't run in vain or labor for nothing."

NIV 1982 "in order that I MAY BOAST in the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing."

NIV 2011 - "And then I WILL BE ABLE TO BOAST on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain."

ESV 2011 "THAT I MAY BE PROUD that I did not run in vain"

God’s Word Translation 1995 - “THEN I CAN BRAG ON THE DAY OF CHRIST that my effort was not wasted and that my work produced results.”

Names of God Bible 2011 - “THEN I CAN BRAG ON THE DAY OF CHRIST that my effort was not wasted and that my work produced results.”

The Catholic Connection



Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 : "As I look to the day of Christ, you give me CAUSE TO BOAST that I did not run the race in vain."

Catholic New Jerusalem bible 1985: "Then shall I HAVE REASON TO BE PROUD on the day of Christ, for it will not be for nothing that I have run the race."


On the day of Christ, when we finally see the full glory of God Almighty, we will not be standing around boasting of our accomplishments and patting one another on the back and telling them how proud we are of them. Nobody will be boasting or proud of his personal accomplishments in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Instead we will all be flat on our faces worshipping the Lamb who alone is worthy to receive praise, honour and glory, and rejoicing in all that He has done in and through His vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory.

A common response when both angels and men come into immediate contact with the living God is to fall on their faces in worship before Him. “And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, AND FELL BEFORE THE THRONE ON THEIR FACES, and worshipped God.”

Revelation 7:11. See also Revelation 4:10; 5:8; 11:16 “And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, FELL UPON THEIR FACES and worshipped God.”; 19:4, 10; Exodus 3:6; Exodus 34:8 Immediately after God revealed His glory and holy character unto Moses, we read: "And Moses made haste, and BOWED HIS HEAD TOWARD THE EARTH, and worshipped."

Ezekiel 1:28 “This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD, And when I saw it, I FELL UPON MY FACE, and I heard a voice of one that spake.”; Daniel 10:7-9; Isaiah 6:1-5; and Matthew 17:5-6 “...behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, THEY FELL ON THEIR FACE, and were sore afraid.”

The King James Bible is God's pure and 100% written truth. The modern versions are getting worse, not better. And they promote as virtue what God considers to be the stench of the flesh - boasting in men and in oneself.

"And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day." Isaiah 2:17
The pride of life is one of three things that can cause us to distance ourselves from GOD and HIS Word.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/pride

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Just believe what is written:

Read this scripture, Paul is saying he hopes we can come to UNDERSTAND FULLY that YOU CAN BOAST in him as he will boast in the saved. This is simple, clear language.

For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus. See 2 Corinthians 1:13,14.

Read this next scripture. Paul shows us he boasts. He says his conscience testified that he has conducted himself in a godly way. He is not just boasting about himself, but in 'us'.

2 Corinthians 1:12 Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, with integrity and godly sincerity. We have done so, relying not on worldly wisdom but on God's grace.

That is ENCOURAGEMENT from Paul, and the encouragement we should give each other in our lives to continue in the Lord.

This next scripture shows Paul boasting to Titus about the church in Corinth for repenting; something you said we cannot boast in?

2 Corinthians 7:14 I had boasted to him about you, and you have not embarrassed me. But just as everything we said to you was true, so our boasting about you to Titus has proved to be true as well.

Here Paul says that he could boast:

2 Corinthians 12:6
Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth.

Paul says he would rather die than be deprived of his boast:

1 Corinthians 9:15 But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me, for I would rather die than allow anyone to deprive me of this boast.

Obvious boasting from Paul, he actually says it plainly and proudly:

2 Corinthians 11:10 As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, this boasting of mine will not be silenced in the regions of Achaia. 11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do! 12 But I will keep on doing what I am doing, in order to undercut those who want an opportunity to be regarded as our equals in the things they boast about.
 

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When one used to be able to clean them self as the Jews used to be able to do before Jesus came, then that is something to boast about. One can say I cleaned myself of sin. However, no one can clean themselves anymore. That power is taken away and given only to Jesus. No one can boast in cleaning themselves anymore, for they cleaned themselves and still sinned! But now we boast in Jesus cleaning us. We can be glad that we do what Jesus said to do in order to get cleaned. We can be glad and if it is boastful then it is boastful, and if it is boastful when we speak of others doing what Jesus says, then it is boastful and not wrong.
 

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Rejoice or Be Proud?

In the true Holy Bible boasting in oneself is never commended as a good thing. Scripture allows for boasting in the accomplishments of others, but not in ourselves. For example, see 2 Corinthians 7:14; 8:24, and 9:3-4. Here the apostle Paul boasted to others of the Corinthians because they were ready to provide for the needs of the poor saints in Jerusalem.

Boasting in oneself is done only in a sense of irony, and is called "folly" and speaking foolishly - See 2 Corinthians 11:1, 10, 16-18 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also."

Pride and boasting in oneself is always condemned in the King James Bible as being a sin. Many new versions however have completely turned this around in several verses of Scripture, and have now made pride in self and boasting to be Christian virtues.

"Pride and arrogancy...do I hate" Proverbs 8:13

"When pride cometh, then cometh shame; but with the lowly is wisdom. Proverbs 11:2

"Pride goeth before destruction" Proverbs 16:18

"This know also that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be...boasters, proud...heady, highminded" 2 Timothy 3:1-4. "not of works; lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:9

Compare the King James Bible with the NASB, NIV, ESV, Holman Standard, the Catholic versions and the NKJV in these verses.

Galatians 6:4 KJB "Let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have REJOICING in himself alone."

REJOICING is the reading of Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Whiston's N.T. 1745, John Wesley's 1755 translation, The Revised Translation 1815, Webster's 1833 translation, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, Godbey N.T. 1902, The Clarke N.T. 1913, the NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, KJV 21st Century 1994, the Third Millennium Bible 1998, God's First Truth 1999, Last Days Bible 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 -"he will REJOICE in what he has done", Bond Slave Version 2009, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014.

However the NASB and Holman say: "he will have REASON FOR BOASTING in regard TO himself"

NIV, Dan Wallace's NET version - "he can TAKE PRIDE IN HIMSELF",

and the ESV says: "then his REASON TO BOAST WILL BE IN HIMSELF ALONE."

Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 - "IF HE HAS A REASON TO BOAST OF ANYTHING, IT WILL BE BECAUSE THE ACHIEVEMENT IS HIS"

The Voice 2012 says: “ Examine your own works so that IF YOU ARE PROUD, IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN ACCOMPLISHMENTS and not someone else’s.”
 

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Should be better now.

Kinda thought you said screw me...

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Yeah I wanted to hurry up and let you know why I couldn't keep in touch so you wouldn't think that.

I left a message on your profile page too, but figured you might not see it so glad you posted today so that I could tell you about your inbox.
 

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Rejoice or Be Proud?

In the true Holy Bible boasting in oneself is never commended as a good thing. Scripture allows for boasting in the accomplishments of others, but not in ourselves. For example, see 2 Corinthians 7:14; 8:24, and 9:3-4. Here the apostle Paul boasted to others of the Corinthians because they were ready to provide for the needs of the poor saints in Jerusalem.

Boasting in oneself is done only in a sense of irony, and is called "folly" and speaking foolishly - See 2 Corinthians 11:1, 10, 16-18 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also."

Pride and boasting in oneself is always condemned in the King James Bible as being a sin. Many new versions however have completely turned this around in several verses of Scripture, and have now made pride in self and boasting to be Christian virtues.

"Pride and arrogancy...do I hate" Proverbs 8:13

"When pride cometh, then cometh shame; but with the lowly is wisdom. Proverbs 11:2

"Pride goeth before destruction" Proverbs 16:18

"This know also that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be...boasters, proud...heady, highminded" 2 Timothy 3:1-4. "not of works; lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:9

Compare the King James Bible with the NASB, NIV, ESV, Holman Standard, the Catholic versions and the NKJV in these verses.

Galatians 6:4 KJB "Let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have REJOICING in himself alone."

REJOICING is the reading of Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Whiston's N.T. 1745, John Wesley's 1755 translation, The Revised Translation 1815, Webster's 1833 translation, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, Godbey N.T. 1902, The Clarke N.T. 1913, the NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, KJV 21st Century 1994, the Third Millennium Bible 1998, God's First Truth 1999, Last Days Bible 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 -"he will REJOICE in what he has done", Bond Slave Version 2009, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014.

However the NASB and Holman say: "he will have REASON FOR BOASTING in regard TO himself"

NIV, Dan Wallace's NET version - "he can TAKE PRIDE IN HIMSELF",

and the ESV says: "then his REASON TO BOAST WILL BE IN HIMSELF ALONE."

Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 - "IF HE HAS A REASON TO BOAST OF ANYTHING, IT WILL BE BECAUSE THE ACHIEVEMENT IS HIS"

The Voice 2012 says: “ Examine your own works so that IF YOU ARE PROUD, IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN ACCOMPLISHMENTS and not someone else’s.”

So there is evidently a distinction to be made between pride/ arrogance, and rejoicing in one's inner being.

Would you agree?

Galatians 5:24- 6:18

You make a good point. A servant is not proud, but of their Master.

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Rejoice or Be Proud?

In the true Holy Bible boasting in oneself is never commended as a good thing. Scripture allows for boasting in the accomplishments of others, but not in ourselves. For example, see 2 Corinthians 7:14; 8:24, and 9:3-4. Here the apostle Paul boasted to others of the Corinthians because they were ready to provide for the needs of the poor saints in Jerusalem.

Boasting in oneself is done only in a sense of irony, and is called "folly" and speaking foolishly - See 2 Corinthians 11:1, 10, 16-18 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also."

Pride and boasting in oneself is always condemned in the King James Bible as being a sin. Many new versions however have completely turned this around in several verses of Scripture, and have now made pride in self and boasting to be Christian virtues.

"Pride and arrogancy...do I hate" Proverbs 8:13

"When pride cometh, then cometh shame; but with the lowly is wisdom. Proverbs 11:2

"Pride goeth before destruction" Proverbs 16:18

"This know also that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be...boasters, proud...heady, highminded" 2 Timothy 3:1-4. "not of works; lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:9

Compare the King James Bible with the NASB, NIV, ESV, Holman Standard, the Catholic versions and the NKJV in these verses.

Galatians 6:4 KJB "Let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have REJOICING in himself alone."

REJOICING is the reading of Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, Geneva Bible 1587, The Beza N.T. 1599, The Bill Bible 1671, Whiston's N.T. 1745, John Wesley's 1755 translation, The Revised Translation 1815, Webster's 1833 translation, The Longman Version 1841, The Commonly Received Version 1851, Godbey N.T. 1902, The Clarke N.T. 1913, the NKJV 1982, The Word of Yah 1993, KJV 21st Century 1994, the Third Millennium Bible 1998, God's First Truth 1999, Last Days Bible 1999, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Resurrection Life N.T. 2005 -"he will REJOICE in what he has done", Bond Slave Version 2009, Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), and the Modern English Version 2014.

However the NASB and Holman say: "he will have REASON FOR BOASTING in regard TO himself"

NIV, Dan Wallace's NET version - "he can TAKE PRIDE IN HIMSELF",

and the ESV says: "then his REASON TO BOAST WILL BE IN HIMSELF ALONE."

Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 - "IF HE HAS A REASON TO BOAST OF ANYTHING, IT WILL BE BECAUSE THE ACHIEVEMENT IS HIS"

The Voice 2012 says: “ Examine your own works so that IF YOU ARE PROUD, IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN ACCOMPLISHMENTS and not someone else’s.”

I am so glad that I did what Jesus says to do to get saved, and to stay saved.

I am so glad when my spouse acts in line with the truth.

I have a daughter who doesn't quite get it yet.

I will rejoice and be so proud and boastful to her when she finally gets it.
 

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If your son or daughter finally get saved, I can see being thankful for this and rejoicing in it, but how can you possibly be proud or boastful when you had nothing to do with it? It is either all from God's grace or it isn't.
 

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If your son or daughter finally get saved, I can see being thankful for this and rejoicing in it, but how can you possibly be proud or boastful when you had nothing to do with it? It is either all from God's grace or it isn't.

The Bible does say we can have a part in a person being saved.
 

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When others try to say we have nothing to do with saving others---

1 Corinthians 7:16 is about a husband saving his wife, or a wife saving her husband.

1 Peter 3:1 is about winning over---saving the husband with your behavior.

Romans 11:14 is about Paul somehow arousing envy in his own people to save some of them.

for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:13
How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? Romans 10:14


Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.


Of course, we can have something to do with others getting saved, and even ourselves getting saved.
 

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When others try to say we have nothing to do with saving others---

1 Corinthians 7:16 is about a husband saving his wife, or a wife saving her husband.

1 Peter 3:1 is about winning over---saving the husband with your behavior.

Romans 11:14 is about Paul somehow arousing envy in his own people to save some of them.

for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:13
How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? Romans 10:14


Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.


Of course, we can have something to do with others getting saved, and even ourselves getting saved.

Salvation is of the Lord. God is the one who does the saving. "He shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21. We are exhorted to do many things in Scripture, but this does not mean that we can do them. God is the one who gives both repentance and faith to his elect.

Man cannot believe or repent on his own; nor can a man save himself. You can call on a corpse all day long to repent, believe, save yourself. But only God can do this work of salvation. "By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast."
 

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Salvation is of the Lord. God is the one who does the saving. "He shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21. We are exhorted to do many things in Scripture, but this does not mean that we can do them. God is the one who gives both repentance and faith to his elect.

Man cannot believe or repent on his own; nor can a man save himself. You can call on a corpse all day long to repent, believe, save yourself. But only God can do this work of salvation. "By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast."

No such thing as what you preach.

God says: Do this and do that and then I will save you.

You say: No, I cannot; do it for me, save me first.
 
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