Agreed.
To incorporate this system today, the learning curve would be difficult given the entrenched machinery we currently have. Growing pains and abuses would be inevitable.
In your opinion, how would we best make the transition?
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Agreed.
To incorporate this system today, the learning curve would be difficult given the entrenched machinery we currently have. Growing pains and abuses would be inevitable.
In your opinion, how would we best make the transition?
It would take a nation to wake up to the consequences its system is producing and to realize that the addition of more laws is no answer to their problems.
The most likely candidate would be a small, well-resourced nation, or perhaps a US state.
It would take a leader willing to implement things that would today never get him elected if used as a platform.
Unfortunately, the wake-up call would probably going have to be something more dramatic than another mass stabbing or a million babies murdered every year.
Or else people could just choose to do right without the shake-up. :up:
You could just read what I plainly write. :up:
I read and answered every point you brought up during the course of our conversation. I didn't read your comments to others, given how busy I was correcting your factual errors and unsupported assertions within that context. Do you want a list of the challenges you left unanswered on point?
If not, I'd say that wraps it up as conversations go and I'll leave you and the stalker to go on with the whole messenger business. :e4e:
Yes unfortunately, probably this one.
Shasta
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Right after you wake up from that dream you're having.
If you're charged you're in trouble. If your neighbor sues you you're in trouble. If you want to preserve your estate from as much damage as the government can make of it and you don't have a really good tax attorney, you're in trouble.
If you believe that innocence is a safeguard against the state's resources when it "mistakenly" believes you did it, that your explanation of your neighbor's unreasonableness can be cleared up against his lawyer's case or that your kids will get something like what's coming to them anyway, you're in trouble.
:e4e:
You might possibly receive justice in court but it will cost more than you have. The problem is the innocent may not have enough money to hire the best lawyers while the guilty might. Even then we are depending upon how the whole theatrical production that is called "the trial" goes.
Shasta
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Your call for "swift" justice has to be balanced with thorough investigation. I am thinking about all those prisoners who, after being in prison for some time, have been freed since the advent of DNA testing. I am sure swift justice has killed many innocent people.
What do you propose to to in order to ensure the right person is being executed in a shortened prison stay?
Learn how to judge well.
The point of the proposed changes is to dramatically reduce the crime rate so that murder becomes rare. When murder is rare and judges are well trained, it becomes infinitely less likely that injustice will occur.
When murder is epidemic, as it has become under the established system, injustice abounds.
Bye. :wave:
Again.
betcha he comes back again :chuckle:
I wonder if he will have any rational responses this time. :idunno:
Arthur Brain
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Well there's another irony meter blasted into the stratosphere...
You were comprehensively taken apart on a topic by a guy who knows what's he's talking about and which you don't even approach a layman's understanding. You might get a few plaudits from an equally ignorant peanut gallery but that's about it. Cringeworthy...