Exploring Jesus's Appearance in His Kingdom

[Right Divider]

I will double check that as soon as I have time. In a rush this a.m. He arose from the dead having his mortal body. At some point to took that mortal body (as the lamb) and presented it to God in heaven. Then I think he returned to Earth to appear to many people ... then he arose in a cloud saying he would return. But I will double check. Thank you.

Scripture! You must provide the SCRIPTURE when you talk about SCRIPTURE.

 

[Right Divider]

The LORD God and his Son are/is the only good judge.

That is not who that verse is talking about.

That verse was the LORD Jesus Christ talking to His people, Israel. But the principle is the same... don't judge simply by appearances.

The Father sits in his judgment seat in Psalm 82.

Irrelevant.

There we see how he judges Satan and mankind equally ... They, who are lost, meet the same fate.

Irrelevant.

 

[Derf]

I will double check that as soon as I have time. In a rush this a.m. He arose from the dead having his mortal body. At some point to took that mortal body (as the lamb) and presented it to God in heaven. Then I think he returned to Earth to appear to many people ... then he arose in a cloud saying he would return. But I will double check. Thank you.

It's a nice story, but it isn't what the scriptures are saying explicitly. For one thing, according to Romans, He arose never to die again.
Romans 6:9 KJV — Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
You'll notice that it doesn't say, "having gone to heaven and received His non-mortal body..." But the emphasis on dying is compared to His immortality--meaning that He, with His resurrected body, can't die anymore. He, with His previously mortal body, is now immortal in that body.

 

[Ps82]

It's a nice story, but it isn't what the scriptures are saying explicitly. For one thing, according to Romans, He arose never to die again.
Romans 6:9 KJV — Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

I believe what you wrote above.

You'll notice that it doesn't say, "having gone to heaven and received His non-mortal body..." But the emphasis on dying is compared to His immortality--meaning that He, with His resurrected body, can't die anymore. He, with His previously mortal body, is now immortal in that body.

This is the part I have not had time to check whether I have any steps wrong in my previous thoughts and post.

Still don't. Sigh. I will and will get back to you. Thanks for speaking to me.

 

[Nick M]

I've heard tell that his flesh was so destroyed that even his bone could be seen

Chapter and verse? I know he was beaten badly from scripture. There could be some historical information on a scourging.

 

[Nick M]

Who so you think talked with Abram before he went down into Sodom to look around?

The second person of the trinity, whom Paul says is the image of the invisible God, appeared a couple of times in the "Old Testament".

 

[Ps82]

You'll notice that it doesn't say, "having gone to heaven and received His non-mortal body..." But the emphasis on dying is compared to His immortality--meaning that He, with His resurrected body, can't die anymore. He, with His previously mortal body, is now immortal in that body.

I admit up front that I asked Siri for some details as I began. I just don't have the time lately to do my own search. I found a site called For the Gospel. Written by Kevin Hay Apr. 22 Christ's Earthly Ministry. What Did Jesus Do After the Resurrection?

Summing up some of the main points:
Jesus did not immediately ascend to heaven after his resurrection. The article says:
He appeared first to the women at the tomb. Then to Peter. Then to two disciples. Then to the ten disciples. Then to Thomas and finally to over 500 people.

I may disagree with this complete order because of two interesting points I have found in scripture which seem to interrupt the flow.

1.) Jesus told the woman at the tomb, --- Don't touch me. I, (Jesus being the risen Lamb of God,) have not yet ascended to the Father. IOW words: He had risen but still bore the dead flesh and was seen.
2.) Yet, later he told Thomas to look at his hands and touch the wound in his side. I asked: What transpired between the woman at the tomb and the meeting with Thomas? Don't touch versus touch?
3.) At the tomb his body was unrecognizable. With Thomas it was different. It was super-natural. It had the ability to appear and disappear and walk through walls.

This is what I think happened: The sacrificed Lamb of God, who was our Lord Jesus, went to the Father and carried his sacrificed body there to be laid on a heavenly alter. Afterwards he returned for 40 days of appearing to many on Earth.

Two things possibly happened during the period before and after he arose and took the body of the Lamb to the heavenly altar.
1.) For the three days before he went to heaven he preached in hell to lost souls. I Peter 3:18-19.
2.) Then he went to the Father and his slain body was laid on a heavenly altar. (I cannot find the scripture where I read about this!!!!)
3.) Then he returned to Earth for 40 days of appearing with a super-natural body that could appear and disappear and could walk through walls etc. This was a body Jesus bore which had not yet undergone his final glorification.

Think about this: The WORD of God, who was God and was with God, did not die ... but it was the mortal body he was given through Mary that died. That was the Sacrifice! The eternal WORD took that body to the altar of the Creator and it was given eternal life. The WORD came again to appear among mankind to show the WAY our salvation would play out. The risen Lord displayed our final hope of an eternal body we would be given.

Yet, this was not to be HIS FINAL ETERNAL GLORY! The glory HE will have when HE brings all things to an end. I'm not sure if this will be when he returns to reign for 1,000 years on an earthly kingdom, or when he finally he throws Satan into the Lake of Fire and then he reigns over the New Jerusalem eternally .... but John 17 tells us of his final glorification:

Read all of John 17:1-5
4 I, Jesus, the WORD (bearing the image of the Sacrificial Lamb,) have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

And of course the book of Revelation describes the glory of the Father and the Son as they appear within the New Jerusalem.

My opinion is this: People are prone to leave out the mysterious times when the body of the Lamb was taken to the Father and the time when The WORD of God preached to souls in hell to those who lived before the days of the flood. I suggest these things happened before the 40 days of appearing to many people.

 

[Ps82]

The second person of the trinity, whom Paul says is the image of the invisible God, appeared a couple of times in the "Old Testament".

You know I can agree with you in this manner.
The Father and I (Jesus) are ONE!
Jesus was the WORD of God, who was with God and was God.
The Father was the LORD God and spoke the WORD of God to Adam and Woman.
The WORD (The Messiah) and the Father were ONE in the beginning.

In what way? They being God shared the glorious super-natural image of God. God came walking and talking as the presence of the invisible God appearing with the SAME ONE IMAGE God created for himself to appear as Emmanuel!

Jesus explains this clearly when he made this request in a prayer: John 17:1-5
4 I (Jesus) have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had (which I shared) with thee before the world was.

IOW, just like Jesus said: When you have seen me, you have seen the Father (except my image is seen in flesh!)
The Father could have said: When you have seen me, you have seen the promised Messiah (except my image is seen with a super-natural glory).

Within Jesus's prayer, just before he was to be crucified, HE was asking the Father to allow HIM to have that same glory which he had shared with the Father before the world was!

So I agree with you: Jesus was the second personage of the God Head/Trinity, which the Spiritual God manifested of himself as a second "Emmanuel" who came among men having his own mission to accomplish.

You see, scripture does not say: No one has ever seen God the LORD Father ... but it does tell us that no one had ever before seen God the Son (the second person of the Trinity before) until God the Son arrived.
Here is an diagram of John 1:18 where it says that no one had ever seen God manifested as his own Son of flesh. To the best of my ability I have personally done this diagram.

 

[Ps82]

Visitors are not able to respond without making an account.

No one is going to make an account just to respond to your posts.

You aren't that important. Trust me.

Thanks for explaining to me how that works. Visitors can't respond... or won't respond. Makes sense.

 

[Right Divider]

Visitors can't respond... or won't respond.

Visitors can't respond, you ignoramus.

Only those that CREATE AN ACCOUNT can post here.

How many times do you have to be told?

 

[Ps82]

Visitors can't respond, you ignoramus.

Only those that CREATE AN ACCOUNT can post here.

How many times do you have to be told?

LOL. You are so informative.

 

[Right Divider]

LOL. You are so informative.

Yes, and you are so dense.

 

[Ps82]

Now, back to what I discovered in Lamentations 4:7 about the appearance of the THREE NAZERITES: There is not denying that these verses are talking about the three who visited Abram and who went down in to Sodom when destruction came. Now, I've never heard anyone deny that The LORD God himself came to greet Abram.

But it is my conclusion that all three of these super-natural sentient personages were the ONE God come as three Emanuels bearing the same ONE image which God created for his personal use within creation.

I will list the reasons I've concluded this. First are the verses in Lamentations where it describes THEIR APPEARANCE! The had the same appearance! I interpret the description this way. Blue eyes, a white creamy complexion which blushes easily like that of most deep red heads do today. I've begun to think of it like many red headed Irish people of today.

Now, what clues are seen within the events with Abram and in Sodom?
1.) Abram addressed all three as The LORD and Lords. To me that is significant for I believe YHWH ( LORD in KJE) is God's chosen name forever when he appears within creation. It is more than just addressing dignitaries with a distinguished title! LORD/Lord is the name described when The LORD appeared to Moses for the first time ever. This is the name Moses then revealed within the 5 books he wrote for the Children of Israel. Ex. 3: 14-15 God told Moses I AM the eternal God Almighty of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and my chosen name is The LORD - The LORD God. Your forefathers did not know me by that name. They only knew me a God Almighty. Exodus 6:3; Exodus 3:2,6,15
2.) When Moses wrote about God appearing to Abram ... he knew exactly the correct chosen name to use to identify the three super-natural personages.
3.) Since I understood that the invisible Spiritual ONE God had only created ONE chosen image to use to manifest his presence among creation, I understood that the THREE looked alike and were all the ONE God on a mission!
4.) This is why one Lord/LORD could stay behind with Abram and have a discussion and the other two LORDS/Lords could go into town to beging this mission.
5.) It is also why the two Lords could change their mission and go home with Lord without having rebelled again God. God the Spirit allowed them to use their free will to choose... for The LORD with Abram would come down into the town and stay the night looking around and judging the sins of the people.
6.) Now, since all THREE Lords looked alike the angry mob knew the FELLOW they had with them in the streets were with the two at Lot's house. I would think triplets would be noticed even in those days. So The LORD in the streets completed the mission the THREE were on.
7.) What I learned from this mission of THREE Lords representing God's presence could be seen as individuals having freewill to make their own choices. This is why I believe even our Lord Jesus could have chosen not to save humanity ... but instead he forgave humanity, died for our salvation, and looked forward with anticipation to what lay ahead of him. (Meaning his eternal kingdom with his family who would make him their Lord for ever.)

Now lastly, Lamentations gives us the description of God's chosen image when he appeared among men. I suggest that this was how he looked when he appeared to Abraham and sons, to Moses, to 74 children of Israel at one time, to Samson's parents, to Hagar, to the prophets in dreams and visions and as The Son of God in flesh.