ttruscott
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Satan quotes scripture to lie…
I start with accepting GOD's attributes at full face value and comparing all of theology to that revelation. I did not come to Bible study in this way. At first, 40 years ago, when I saw a contradiction to HIS love I had to search for a meaning and orthodoxy gave me suggestions and where orthodoxy of all the sects came together the meaning was impossible to resist. The weight of 2000 years (or 4000 for OT studies) was too much. But not anymore - if a doctrine doesn't fit HIS loving righteousness and justice, it is wrong, not a mystery.
The two doctrines I have quit believing because they have never been properly reconciled with HIS goodness (loving and righteous in justice) except by erudite sophistry are: 1. our inherited sinfulness and 2. GOD knew who would end in hell before HE created them.
1. GOD (who would not create Satan evil) created HIS Bride (and every other human) evil by making them humans in Adam's line when there was no reason for HIM to do this. It is written GOD is light for a reason and that reason is that light cannot create dark! It is impossible because by its essence light destroys dark. Dark is created when someone turns against the light and blocks the light...which GOD CANNOT do as a house divided against itself cannot stand, not even by using a surrogate sinner to apply his sin to HIS creation.
People are willing to believe that GOD cannot create evil, then they allow themselves to be persuaded that in our creation GOD DID have us created evil by creating us human and by having us humans inheriting from Adam his sin.
That we are conceived or born as sinners must be explained but NOT by choosing the blasphemy that GOD created us evil in Adam. It is totally UNNECESSARY when another method of our being sinners before being human is available, ie, we had a pre-earth life as spirits and in that life all those who would become human chose by their free will to be sinners in HIS sight, either eternally sinful (condemned already for the unforgivable sin) or temporarily sinful (predestined to be saved from their sin).
It is against all reason that HE would create HIS BRIDE as evil and disgustingly corrupt (by any means) so that her best is as filthy rags just to have to heal her and then start the marriage! As well this doctrine of inherited sin goes against scripture for those with the eyes to see and ears to hear:
Ezekiel 18:20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child (human) will not share the guilt of the parent (Adam), nor will the parent share the guilt of the child.
Jeremiah 31:30 Instead, each will die for his own iniquity. Infants die well before being able to choose sin, proving they are sinful for death is the wages of sin, not the consequence of being born.
Why choose a blasphemy over the simple fact that our creation and our free will decision to become sinful was before the earth was created, not on earth during our earthly lives? Is the denial of our pre-conception existence so important?? Just because some old men made a political decision about 350 AD?
2. It is contended that GOD knows all things that can be known from eternity past to eternity future, a bit of a pagan Greek wisdom chosen as acceptable by the early Church leaders in their idolatry for all things Greek. I reject this definition of HIS omniscience because it implies that HE knew before their creation who would end in hell BUT CREATED THEM ANYWAY !!! which is a blatant rejection of the scripture that claims HE does not want anyone to die and takes no pleasure in the death of even the wicked while HE does all things for HIS pleasure. It is also not just a disregard for HIS attributes of being lovingly just but it destroys the meaning of those attributes if we accept this blasphemy!
How HIS omniscience can be reconciled with HIS lack of knowledge of who would end in hell before they were created I do not know but choosing to accept a blasphemy just to have a solution to this mystery is unacceptable.
I start with accepting GOD's attributes at full face value and comparing all of theology to that revelation. I did not come to Bible study in this way. At first, 40 years ago, when I saw a contradiction to HIS love I had to search for a meaning and orthodoxy gave me suggestions and where orthodoxy of all the sects came together the meaning was impossible to resist. The weight of 2000 years (or 4000 for OT studies) was too much. But not anymore - if a doctrine doesn't fit HIS loving righteousness and justice, it is wrong, not a mystery.
The two doctrines I have quit believing because they have never been properly reconciled with HIS goodness (loving and righteous in justice) except by erudite sophistry are: 1. our inherited sinfulness and 2. GOD knew who would end in hell before HE created them.
1. GOD (who would not create Satan evil) created HIS Bride (and every other human) evil by making them humans in Adam's line when there was no reason for HIM to do this. It is written GOD is light for a reason and that reason is that light cannot create dark! It is impossible because by its essence light destroys dark. Dark is created when someone turns against the light and blocks the light...which GOD CANNOT do as a house divided against itself cannot stand, not even by using a surrogate sinner to apply his sin to HIS creation.
People are willing to believe that GOD cannot create evil, then they allow themselves to be persuaded that in our creation GOD DID have us created evil by creating us human and by having us humans inheriting from Adam his sin.
That we are conceived or born as sinners must be explained but NOT by choosing the blasphemy that GOD created us evil in Adam. It is totally UNNECESSARY when another method of our being sinners before being human is available, ie, we had a pre-earth life as spirits and in that life all those who would become human chose by their free will to be sinners in HIS sight, either eternally sinful (condemned already for the unforgivable sin) or temporarily sinful (predestined to be saved from their sin).
It is against all reason that HE would create HIS BRIDE as evil and disgustingly corrupt (by any means) so that her best is as filthy rags just to have to heal her and then start the marriage! As well this doctrine of inherited sin goes against scripture for those with the eyes to see and ears to hear:
Ezekiel 18:20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child (human) will not share the guilt of the parent (Adam), nor will the parent share the guilt of the child.
Jeremiah 31:30 Instead, each will die for his own iniquity. Infants die well before being able to choose sin, proving they are sinful for death is the wages of sin, not the consequence of being born.
Why choose a blasphemy over the simple fact that our creation and our free will decision to become sinful was before the earth was created, not on earth during our earthly lives? Is the denial of our pre-conception existence so important?? Just because some old men made a political decision about 350 AD?
2. It is contended that GOD knows all things that can be known from eternity past to eternity future, a bit of a pagan Greek wisdom chosen as acceptable by the early Church leaders in their idolatry for all things Greek. I reject this definition of HIS omniscience because it implies that HE knew before their creation who would end in hell BUT CREATED THEM ANYWAY !!! which is a blatant rejection of the scripture that claims HE does not want anyone to die and takes no pleasure in the death of even the wicked while HE does all things for HIS pleasure. It is also not just a disregard for HIS attributes of being lovingly just but it destroys the meaning of those attributes if we accept this blasphemy!
How HIS omniscience can be reconciled with HIS lack of knowledge of who would end in hell before they were created I do not know but choosing to accept a blasphemy just to have a solution to this mystery is unacceptable.
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