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Here, suffice it to note that the DoD Law of War Manual is categorical: “It is … prohibited to conduct hostilities on the basis that there shall be no survivors, or to threaten the adversary with the denial of quarter. This rule is based on both humanitarian and military considerations.” The Manual further emphasizes that the rule “also applies during non-international armed conflict” (§ 5.4.7).​
A closely related prohibition implicated in the Sept. 2 strikes, which also applies in both international and non-international armed conflict, is on attacking those who are hors de combat, a condition that includes those who are “defenseless” because they are shipwrecked (see ICRC Customary International Humanitarian Law study, rule 47 and related practice). As the DoD Law of War Manual explains (§ 5.9.4),​
Shipwrecked combatants include those who have been shipwrecked from any cause…. Persons who have been incapacitated by … shipwreck are in a helpless state, and it would be dishonorable and inhumane to make them the object of attack. In order to receive protection as hors de combat, the person must be wholly disabled from fighting.​
The Commander’s Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations similarly provides, “Intentional attack on a combatant who is known to be hors de combat constitutes a grave breach of the law of armed conflict” (§ 8.2.3). Indeed, as noted in the Newport Manual on the Law of Naval Warfare published by the U.S. Naval War College’s Stockton Center, Geneva Convention II sets forth a legal framework for the humane treatment and protection of victims of armed conflict at sea. The Convention requires parties to the conflict to, inter alia, respect and protect individuals falling within the scope of the Convention “who are at sea and who are wounded, sick or shipwrecked.” Parties to a conflict are thus required, after each engagement and without delay, to “take all possible measures to search for and collect the shipwrecked, wounded and sick,” without discriminating between their own and enemy personnel.​
To be clear, there is no exception to the prohibition on attacking those who are hors de combat due to being shipwrecked because they might escape or otherwise receive rescue assistance from their forces. The only basis for treating them as subject to continued attack is if they are, in fact, not hors de combat because they continue to fight.​
These are rules of War. They don't apply to combating terrorists. If they did they would have been applied to the 540 drone strikes that Obama authorized, with the full knowledge that there would be collateral damage including innocent American citizens.

Consider the target in the drone strikes against these boats being used to smuggle drugs by terrorists.

The target wasn't the boats. There's no shortage of replacement for the boats.

The target wasn't the drugs. Venezuela and other countries in South and Central America (and Mexico) produce illegal drugs on an industrial scale.

The target was the terrorists driving the boats full of drugs. The goal was to kill them.

Not capture them.
Not arrest them.
Kill them.
That's what we do with terrorists.
 

annabenedetti

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Good people must kill bad people.

Good people have to obey the law when bringing bad people to justice. Surely you follow the Church in this even if you don't follow the DOD Law of War or the Geneva Convention.

Don't be like this: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
 

annabenedetti

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These are rules of War. They don't apply to combating terrorists. If they did they would have been applied to the 540 drone strikes that Obama authorized, with the full knowledge that there would be collateral damage including innocent American citizens.

Consider the target in the drone strikes against these boats being used to smuggle drugs by terrorists.

The target wasn't the boats. There's no shortage of replacement for the boats.

The target wasn't the drugs. Venezuela and other countries in South and Central America (and Mexico) produce illegal drugs on an industrial scale.

The target was the terrorists driving the boats full of drugs. The goal was to kill them.

Not capture them.
Not arrest them.
Kill them.
That's what we do with terrorists.

No. You're comparing Obama operating under the AUMF, although a good argument can be made for him stretching it farther than intended, it has nothing to do with the current situation.

These boats, even if they are drug smugglers, and there's been no evidence to prove they are, are a law enforcement issue. Calling them terrorists for the purpose of extrajudicially killing civilians and then committing a war crime by a second strike on survivors in the water can only be supported by an amoral administration and its amoral supporters.

Hegseth is on record as not wanting to be bound by the Geneva Convention, but they're already in the process of blaming the Admiral because they know what they've done. No wonder they went into hysterics (well, when Trump wasn't sleeping on the job again) when 6 members of Congress with military backgrounds reminded military personnel they have the right not to follow unlawful orders. Whoever fired that second strike obeyed an unlawful order.

The Commander’s Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations similarly provides, “Intentional attack on a combatant who is known to be hors de combat constitutes a grave breach of the law of armed conflict” (§ 8.2.3). Indeed, as noted in the Newport Manual on the Law of Naval Warfare published by the U.S. Naval War College’s Stockton Center, Geneva Convention II sets forth a legal framework for the humane treatment and protection of victims of armed conflict at sea. The Convention requires parties to the conflict to, inter alia, respect and protect individuals falling within the scope of the Convention “who are at sea and who are wounded, sick or shipwrecked.” Parties to a conflict are thus required, after each engagement and without delay, to “take all possible measures to search for and collect the shipwrecked, wounded and sick,” without discriminating between their own and enemy personnel.

To be clear, there is no exception to the prohibition on attacking those who are hors de combat due to being shipwrecked because they might escape or otherwise receive rescue assistance from their forces. The only basis for treating them as subject to continued attack is if they are, in fact, not hors de combat because they continue to fight.
 

annabenedetti

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No wonder Trump is falling asleep all the time:

President Donald Trump unleashed a frenetic, late-night posting binge on Monday, flooding Truth Social with more than 160 posts in less than five hours, in a wild spectacle that saw him teeing off on political opponents and policies.
From 7 p.m. to nearly midnight (ET), the president reposted an endless stream of clips, some of which were duplicated in what appeared to be an automatic loop, amplifying MAGA-friendly pundits and conspiracy theories.​
The torrent swung between nostalgia – including a ‘Make Christmas Great Again’ video featuring Trump’s cameo in Home Alone 2 – and a parade of attacks on his usual Democratic targets, from California Governor Gavin Newsom and Rep. Nancy Pelosi(D-CA) to Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) and former President Barack Obama.​
Among them was a clip of Alex Jones, featuring Bed, Bath and Beyond founder Patrick Byrne, whose video carried the bizarre caption: “Michelle Obama may have used Biden’s autopen in the final days of his disastrous administration to pardon key individuals.” Other posts lauded his vow to nullify all of Biden’s Autopen orders.​
He also posted what appeared to be an AI-generated video of Elon Musk discussing Trump’s vow to “immediately” revoke temporary protections for Somali migrants.​
Even Senator Mark Kelly (D-AZ) was branded a “traitor” — again — in one of the few posts that the president authored himself as Trump rounded on the Democrat and his colleagues who featured in the now-infamous “illegal orders” video of encouraging military personnel to disobey him.​
He also demanded the release of disgraced Colorado election official Tina Peters, who is serving a nine-year sentence, writing: “Colorado, FREE TINA PETERS, NOW.”​
The spree veered into other theatrics, with clips of users complaining about TikTok strikesand a repost of the moment he called a journalist “stupid.”​
Despite the late night, the president was awake by 5:48 a.m. Tuesday to proclaim: “TRUTH SOCIAL IS THE BEST! There is nothing even close!!!”​





 

annabenedetti

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Does Donald from Queens actually write those posts himself?

He writes the deranged ones, the COVFEFE kind. Other ones he writes with staff and the really racist ones I suspect might be Stephen Miller.

Who knows if anyone was with him at midnight during his posting binge.
 

Avajs

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Something something narcotics

Former President of Honduras Is Freed From Prison After Trump Pardon

Juan Orlando Hernández was convicted of flooding the United States with cocaine and had been sentenced to 45 years in prison.
Wanna bet some cash changed hands for this?
I'd like to hear some justification for this move by Donald from Queens other than "he was treated horribly by the Biden administration". But then DfQ loves to pardon criminals. Guess it takes one to know one.
 

annabenedetti

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Wanna bet some cash changed hands for this?
I'd like to hear some justification for this move by Donald from Queens other than "he was treated horribly by the Biden administration". But then DfQ loves to pardon criminals. Guess it takes one to know one.

Here's something interesting:

Finally, why pardon Hernández? What’s the connection to the crypto/tech broligarchy? It’s called Próspera.​
Próspera is a for-profit city being built off Honduras’s coast. Its charter largely exempts the island from Honduran law. Instead, the city is run by a governing structure that for the most part gives control to a corporation, Honduras Próspera Inc., which is in turn funded by a familiar list of Silicon Valley billionaires including Thiel, Sam Altman and Marc Andreesen.​
So while the city is being marketed as a libertarian paradise, it’s best seen as an autonomous oligarchy, government of, by and for billionaires. And you won’t be surprised to learn that within Próspera, Bitcoin is legal tender.​
The 2013 Honduran law that made the creation of Próspera possible was initially ruled unconstitutional by the Honduran Supreme Court. But that ruling was reversed after Juan Orlando Hernández’s predecessor, Porfirio Lobo Sosa, managed to dismiss 4 of the court’s justices. Like Hernández, Sosa was a right-winger, who became president after a populist president, Manuel Zelaya, was overthrown by a military coup. Under both Hernández and Sosa, chaos reigned – corruption, criminal gangs, and drugs overran the country. The current president, Zelaya’s wife, has tried to claw back some sovereignty over Próspera, which has struck back with a mammoth lawsuit that could bankrupt the country.​
Yesterday Honduras held an election in which Trump backed Nasry Asfura, a member of the same right-wing party as Hernández. Early results show the governing left-wing party well behind, but Asfura in a virtual tie with another right-wing candidate.​
In any case, the point is that while Trump threatens and fulminates against Maduro in Venezuela, he is openly backing the Honduran political party that has allowed massive drug smuggling into the U.S. Why? The only logical answer is because of the influence of the crypto/tech broligarchy and their interests in Próspera.​
So the announced pardon of Hernández for drug smuggling isn’t really a departure from the pardons of Binance’s Changpeng Zhao for money laundering or Silk Road’s Ross Ulbricht for facilitating illicit drug sales. In each case what’s being upheld is the principle that lawlessness in the pursuit of tech billionaires’ interests is no vice. In fact, it’s to be encouraged.​
And Trump, whose only principles appear to be self-enrichment and vindictiveness, is happy to go along.​


 

Avajs

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Here's something interesting:

Finally, why pardon Hernández? What’s the connection to the crypto/tech broligarchy? It’s called Próspera.​
Próspera is a for-profit city being built off Honduras’s coast. Its charter largely exempts the island from Honduran law. Instead, the city is run by a governing structure that for the most part gives control to a corporation, Honduras Próspera Inc., which is in turn funded by a familiar list of Silicon Valley billionaires including Thiel, Sam Altman and Marc Andreesen.​
So while the city is being marketed as a libertarian paradise, it’s best seen as an autonomous oligarchy, government of, by and for billionaires. And you won’t be surprised to learn that within Próspera, Bitcoin is legal tender.​
The 2013 Honduran law that made the creation of Próspera possible was initially ruled unconstitutional by the Honduran Supreme Court. But that ruling was reversed after Juan Orlando Hernández’s predecessor, Porfirio Lobo Sosa, managed to dismiss 4 of the court’s justices. Like Hernández, Sosa was a right-winger, who became president after a populist president, Manuel Zelaya, was overthrown by a military coup. Under both Hernández and Sosa, chaos reigned – corruption, criminal gangs, and drugs overran the country. The current president, Zelaya’s wife, has tried to claw back some sovereignty over Próspera, which has struck back with a mammoth lawsuit that could bankrupt the country.​
Yesterday Honduras held an election in which Trump backed Nasry Asfura, a member of the same right-wing party as Hernández. Early results show the governing left-wing party well behind, but Asfura in a virtual tie with another right-wing candidate.​
In any case, the point is that while Trump threatens and fulminates against Maduro in Venezuela, he is openly backing the Honduran political party that has allowed massive drug smuggling into the U.S. Why? The only logical answer is because of the influence of the crypto/tech broligarchy and their interests in Próspera.​
So the announced pardon of Hernández for drug smuggling isn’t really a departure from the pardons of Binance’s Changpeng Zhao for money laundering or Silk Road’s Ross Ulbricht for facilitating illicit drug sales. In each case what’s being upheld is the principle that lawlessness in the pursuit of tech billionaires’ interests is no vice. In fact, it’s to be encouraged.​
And Trump, whose only principles appear to be self-enrichment and vindictiveness, is happy to go along.​


Well, that's it. Eric can move his failing crypto business there and DfQ can build a golf course, where he will certainly be club champion
 
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