I Lived Through Collapse. America Is Already There.

[Arthur Brain]

You didn't answer my questions:

Which part of ICE is unlawful?

Where have they not followed due process?

Can you point to any specific examples?



Good nearly ran over an agent. His shooting her was justified. Awful but lawful, as they say.

Pretti's death can be chalked up to a weapon known to discharge without pulling the trigger (a Sig Saur P320) and Pretti's refusal to comply with officers while armed at a protest and who they tried to detain due to his assaulting someone else. His gun going off after being taken off of him caused officers to think he had started shooting, which justified their response. A tragedy, but not murder.

Their deaths were indeed needless. But entirely not the fault of ICE.

Without knowing the specifics of the alleged other instances of injustice; people being shot by police or law enforcement is usually because they're not complying with lawful commands and are threatening law enforcement to the point where they have to shoot; detaining someone is one of the lawful things a police officer or ice agent can do, especially when trying to determine identity when suspected of a crime; kids whose parents are deported should be deported along with them, and particularly in the case of the one ICE case where the agents babysat one of the children, his father abandoned him as he was fleeing ICE.

The realreason you won't cite cases is because you don't have a strong leg to stand upon with them, because the instances that you would quote are at best ambiguous or need firther investigating, but upon even just a cursory inspection, show that they don't fit your narrative.

So again, Arthur, I ask:

Which part of ICE is unlawful?

Where have they not followed due process for illegals?

Can you point to any specific examples where they have not?

Read at your leisure and feel free to still support ICE as much as you want. Renee Good did not 'nearly run over an agent' at all. Most of us have seen the available vdeo footage from multiple angles along with Pretti. Not going through the same ole pointless merry go round when you'll just blindly ignore the obvious.

United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Arthur Brain]

I can't wait to expand our territory with Canada and Greenland.
Canadians and Greenlanders will get used to being American, we all did.

No they won't and they won't have to, you'll be waiting a loooong time...

 

[JudgeRightly]

Read at your leisure and feel free to still support ICE as much as you want. Renee Good did not 'nearly run over an agent' at all.

Except she did.

Most of us have seen the available vdeo footage from multiple angles along with Pretti.

Clearly you weren't paying enough attention then.

Not going through the same ole pointless merry go round when you'll just blindly ignore the obvious.

United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pointing me to a Wikipedia article on ICE isn't going to convince anyone.

Answer my questions, or admit that you cannot.

 

[commonsense]

I can't wait to expand our territory with Canada and Greenland.
Canadians and Greenlanders will get used to being American, we all did.

You need to understand that we view Trump and the his whole gang as a laughing stock. Trump is an impotent, bloviating, bumbling buffoon. He's comedy gold, a man so ridiculous it's beyond words. But as long as you think he's the cat's pajamas...
Let's let Iran finish humiliating you guys before you set your eyes on Canada. Those Lego man videos are hilarious.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Except she did.



Clearly you weren't paying enough attention then.



Pointing me to a Wikipedia article on ICE isn't going to convince anyone.

Answer my questions, or admit that you cannot.

They're all answered in the article or disprove any of it.

And geez, if you think Good "nearly ran over an ICE age agent" then I hope you're not crippled by a car turning right and doing about 3mph...

 

[Arthur Brain]

You need to understand that we view Trump and the his whole gang as a laughing stock. Trump is an impotent, bloviating, bumbling buffoon. He's comedy gold, a man so ridiculous it's beyond words. But as long as you think he's the cat's pajamas...
Let's let Iran finish humiliating you guys before you set your eyes on Canada. Those Lego man videos are hilarious.

Yeppers. For some reason the peanut gallery are trying to deny this. For most, after his latest AI stunt, it's a bit of a step too far...not before time.

 

[JudgeRightly]

They're all answered in the article or disprove any of it.

Post it here, please. This is a discussion forum. Not a link sharing site.

And geez, if you think Good "nearly ran over an ICE age agent" then I hope you're not crippled by a car turning right and doing about 3mph...

She hit the officer. With her car. Enough to push him back several feet. That's all that matters in the moment.

A car is considered a deadly weapon. She struck the officer with it. That's all the justification he needs in the moment to open fire upon her until the threat to him and to others has been neutralized.

AngryCops did an amazing job breaking down the entire incident.

He also did one on the Pretti shooting as well.

 

[JudgeRightly]

You need to understand that we view Trump and the his whole gang as a laughing stock.

We know. We don't care how you see him.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Post it here, please. This is a discussion forum. Not a link sharing site.



She hit the officer. With her car. Enough to push him back several feet. That's all that matters in the moment.

A car is considered a deadly weapon. She struck the officer with it. That's all the justification he needs in the moment to open fire upon her until the threat to him and to others has been neutralized.

AngryCops did an amazing job breaking down the entire incident.

He also did one on the Pretti shooting as well.

It answers and addresses everything you asked me for, in detail with sources. Ya can't be bothered to read it?

Yet here you are posting YT vids from some talking head that you doubtless follow which you think is impressive? Nah...

 

[Arthur Brain]

We know. We don't care how you see him.

How do you see him? Do you think he's remotely sane?

 

[JudgeRightly]

It answers and addresses everything you asked me for, in detail with sources. Ya can't be bothered to read it?

Then it should be easy for you to simply copy the text and paste it here for us to read. You can't even be bothered to do that much?

Yet here you are posting YT vids from some talking head that you doubtless follow which you think is impressive? Nah...

Yes, because it embeds into this site. You don't have to open the YouTube site to view it.

And yes, I posted his video because he's a cop and did a proper breakdown of the both incidents.

Or what, are you just going to ignore any prognosis of those events that doesn't agree with your own? That's rather evil of you.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Then it should be easy for you to simply copy the text and paste it here for us to read. You can't even be bothered to do that much?



Yes, because it embeds into this site. You don't have to open the YouTube site to view it.

And yes, I posted his video because he's a cop and did a proper breakdown of the both incidents.

Or what, are you just going to ignore any prognosis of those events that doesn't agree with your own? That's rather evil of you.

It should be easy enough for you to read the article, it covers everything you've asked for,

I could care less who he is or any other talking head on social media. I get my info and corroborate it with credible sources outside of YT, FB or X thanks.

 

[annabenedetti]

And I told you what happened.

In a post you have so far completely ignored.

Post in thread 'I Lived Through Collapse. America Is Already There.' https://theologyonline.com/threads/...e-america-is-already-there.54623/post-1924669

You posted that on Jan. 25, two days after I'd left on a 2 1/2 month sabbatical. Can't answer when I'm not here.

What could I tell you that I haven't already told you though? You already know he's a citizen. You already know they dragged him from his house without the proper legal warrant. You already know they drove around trying to figure out how to fix their mess before they dumped him. No wonder Minnesota authorities are now investigating ICE for kidnapping, burglary, and false imprisonment. Will be interesting to see what the grand jury has to say.

Since I won't excuse unconstitutional actions by the government, we're at an impasse.

 

[annabenedetti]

It should be easy enough for you to read the article, it covers everything you've asked for,

I could care less who he is or any other talking head on social media. I get my info and corroborate it with credible sources outside of YT, FB or X thanks.

Facebook, YouTube, X, and TikTok echo chambers that amplify (largely via bots) misinformation and propaganda are a pox on civilization.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Facebook, YouTube, X, and TikTok echo chambers that amplify (largely via bots) misinformation and propaganda are a pox on civilization.

Yep.