Is death just another life?

ffreeloader

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There is nothing wrong with God manipulating His enemies into accomplishing His will.
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
 

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@ffreeloader when your entire post is inside of QUOTE tags, it is impossible to actually quote your post.

That aside, did you have a point to make by bringing up James 1:13-15?

Because it doesn't contradict what I just said.
 

Derf

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Saul was not surnamed Paul.
Saul was ALSO CALLED Paul.

Acts 13:9 KJV
Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,

Paul had both Hebrew and Greek names.
Perhaps that’s all it is. The words translated “surnamed” are also sometimes translated “called”. Those words don’t exist in the Saul-to-Paul passage, but “called” is inserted by the translators. Cephas is the Aramaic word for the Greek “Peter”, which were interchangeable according to the gospels, but never explained as the same person as Saul/Paul was. So my example of Saul/Paul can be disregarded.
 

Derf

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So the one person on earth who never sinned deliberately manipulated Judas to betray Him. That is sin as it is deception. You're willing to accuse Jesus of sin to uphold your speculation. Sorry, but I find that pretty much off the charts weird for anyone to say who claims to love God.
Why is it sin? It wasn’t even a temptation for God to allow Satan to tempt Judas, was it?
 

ffreeloader

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I have a challenge for both of you. Describe a manipulative person using only positive adjectives. I'll give you a hint. It can't be done. Manipulating a free moral agent always includes deception.

James1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
 

Idolater

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I have a challenge for both of you. Describe a manipulative person using only positive adjectives. I'll give you a hint. It can't be done. Manipulating a free moral agent always includes deception.
The whole thread, but if you just read this one excerpted post, in answer to @Hoping :
Yes, true, unless someone has 'set you up' with a question where remaining silent basically means one answer or another. In other words, someone can trick you to divulge a secret by asking certain pointed questions in certain ways at certain times, where your 'bulletproof' strategy here to "be quiet" will tell them in no uncertain terms what they wanted to know and what you wanted to keep hidden.

It's always better in such cases to lie through your teeth, rather than remain silent and betray a confidence because of your misguided and amateur scrupulosity.

You should learn this lesson. I hope you do.
 

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I have a challenge for both of you. Describe a manipulative person using only positive adjectives. I'll give you a hint. It can't be done. Manipulating a free moral agent always includes deception.

God sent His Son to die for the sin of the world, and manipulated the religious leaders of the time, who were wicked, into bringing Him as a lamb to the slaughter.

Jesus kept Judas around because, as a wicked man who cared more about the things of the world, and who managed the purse of Him and the other 11, Judas would easily betray Jesus, and could easily sell him out to the religious leaders.

Again, there is nothing inherently wrong with God manipulating His enemies into accomplishing His will.
 

ffreeloader

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God sent His Son to die for the sin of the world, and manipulated the religious leaders of the time, who were wicked, into bringing Him as a lamb to the slaughter.

Jesus kept Judas around because, as a wicked man who cared more about the things of the world, and who managed the purse of Him and the other 11, Judas would easily betray Jesus, and could easily sell him out to the religious leaders.

Again, there is nothing inherently wrong with God manipulating His enemies into accomplishing His will.
You have zero scripture to back up your supposition. You can believe it all day long but that does not make it true.

Isaiah 55:8 ¶For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
 

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You have zero scripture to back up your supposition.

I have the entire Bible for the first, and all four gospels for the second.

You can believe it all day long but that does not make it true.

What I said comes straight from the Bible.

Or do you deny that God is able to use what men meant for evil as part of His overall plan to save humanity?

Do you deny that Jesus knew that Judas occasionally stole from His purse?
 

Derf

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I have a challenge for both of you. Describe a manipulative person using only positive adjectives. I'll give you a hint. It can't be done. Manipulating a free moral agent always includes deception.
Challenge accepted.
Immortal, invisible, creator of the heavens and the earth, God only wise.
You have zero scripture to back up your supposition. You can believe it all day long but that does not make it true.
Proverbs 21:1 (KJV)
The king's heart [is] in the hand of the LORD, [as] the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
 

ffreeloader

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I have the entire Bible for the first, and all four gospels for the second.



What I said comes straight from the Bible.

Or do you deny that God is able to use what men meant for evil as part of His overall plan to save humanity?

Do you deny that Jesus knew that Judas occasionally stole from His purse?
Do you realize that your claims destroy the plan of salvation? If God breaks his own law by deceiving people why did Jesus have to die on the cross?
 

ffreeloader

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Challenge accepted.
Immortal, invisible, creator of the heavens and the earth, God only wise.

Proverbs 21:1 (KJV)
The king's heart [is] in the hand of the LORD, [as] the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
LOL. A king is now an inanimate object just like water is. Do you even realize what you're saying when you compare a human to an object?
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
Reaally? Scripture says human beings are the equialent of inanimate objects?
Is Proverbs 21:1 Scripture?

"The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will."
 
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