meaning of Acts 1:5

[DAN P]

It reads , for John indeed baptized with water , but you will be baptized with water , but you will be baptized with Holy Spirit not many of these days after .

#1 Here we that water baptism was in force by John .

#2 but that Israel was to be baptized with Holy Spirit power not many days after .

#3 here we see to different kinds of baptism here ,

#4 water baptism

#5 and Holy Spirit is a gift , Acts 2:38

#6 and Acts 2:17-23 is a repeat of Acts 2:36-39

#7 under the gospel of grace there will never be water baptism as what was given to Israel by John 1:31 and we know that the Kingdom of Heaven preaching was never given to Paul .

dan p

 

[Right Divider]

It reads , for John indeed baptized with water , but you will be baptized with water , but you will be baptized with Holy Spirit not many of these days after .

#1 Here we that water baptism was in force by John .

Yes.

#2 but that Israel was to be baptized with Holy Spirit power not many days after .

Not all of Israel.

#3 here we see to different kinds of baptism here ,

There are many different kinds of baptism in the Bible. Baptism does NOT mean water.

#4 water baptism

One kind of baptism... even practiced in the OT.

#5 and Holy Spirit is a gift , Acts 2:38

Being baptized WITH the Spirit is not the same as being baptized BY the Spirit.

#6 and Acts 2:17-23 is a repeat of Acts 2:36-39

Not sure exactly what you mean.

#7 under the gospel of grace there will never be water baptism as what was given to Israel by John 1:31 and we know that the Kingdom of Heaven preaching was never given to Paul .

Paul never commands water baptism. That's a clue.
Paul was glad that he water baptized so few. That's another clue.

 

[Hoping]

It reads , for John indeed baptized with water , but you will be baptized with water , but you will be baptized with Holy Spirit not many of these days after .

#1 Here we that water baptism was in force by John .

#2 but that Israel was to be baptized with Holy Spirit power not many days after .

#3 here we see to different kinds of baptism here ,

#4 water baptism

#5 and Holy Spirit is a gift , Acts 2:38

#6 and Acts 2:17-23 is a repeat of Acts 2:36-39

#7 under the gospel of grace there will never be water baptism as what was given to Israel by John 1:31 and we know that the Kingdom of Heaven preaching was never given to Paul .

dan p

Why then did Paul water baptize the twelve at Ephesus? (Acts 19)
And the all men listed in 1 Cor 1?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Why then did Paul water baptize the twelve at Ephesus? (Acts 19)

Why do you assume Paul was the one to baptize them?

Why do you assume water was involved?

By "the twelve" are you referring to "The Twelve Apostles," namely, Peter, James, John, etc? Or do you recognize that there were twelve men whose names are unknown, but definitely not "The Twelve"?

And the all men listed in 1 Cor 1?

When were these people (men and women, by the way, as "the household of Stephanas" is mentioned) baptized?
Were they baptized:
A) early in Paul's ministry?
B) later in Paul's ministry?

 

[Hoping]

Why do you assume Paul was the one to baptize them?

I don't, really, as I can't imagine he was alone.
Acts 19:5..."When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
Just like Peter admonished in Acts 2:38..."Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Two baptisms from the very start.
Besides the name of the baptizer not being written, why would it matter after the fact who the twelve were water baptized by?

Why do you assume water was involved?

Because the baptism if the Holy Spirit is mentioned as occurring afterwards.
Two different baptisms are in play.
Acts 19:6..."And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied."
Just like Peter mentioned in Acts 2:38.

By "the twelve" are you referring to "The Twelve Apostles," namely, Peter, James, John, etc? Or do you recognize that there were twelve men whose names are unknown, but definitely not "The Twelve"?

I don't think twelve of the other apostles needed further baptizing.
Do you?

When were these people (men and women, by the way, as "the household of Stephanas" is mentioned) baptized?
Were they baptized:
A) early in Paul's ministry?
B) later in Paul's ministry?

The word doesn't say.
Perhaps at the same time many others at Corinth were baptized..."And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized." (Acts 18:8)

 

[JudgeRightly]

I don't, really, as I can't imagine he was alone.

Then why did you say...

Why then did Paul water baptize the twelve at Ephesus? (Acts 19)

If you don't believe that Paul was the one who did it?

Two baptisms from the very start.

Just like Israel... Hmmm...

Whereas with the Body of Christ, there is ONE baptism, not multiple..

Things that are different are not the same.

Besides the name of the baptizer not being written, why would it matter after the fact who the twelve were water baptized by?

Because of the distinction between the dispensation of grace given to Paul, versus the dispensation of the New Covenant given to the Twelve Apostles.

But you'll ignore that because of your a-priori beliefs.

Because the baptism if the Holy Spirit is mentioned as occurring afterwards.

What baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Reading things into the text, again?

Two different baptisms are in play.

I see one baptism with water in verse 3, and a baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus in verse 5. I don't see any baptism in verse 6, but you say there is.

So does that not make it three baptisms, according to you?

Now compare that with the ONE baptism for the Body of Christ.

Things that are diifferent are not the same.

Acts 19:6..."And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied."
Just like Peter mentioned in Acts 2:38.

So clearly not like what Paul was teaching to the gentiles...

I don't think twelve of the other apostles needed further baptizing.
Do you?

Your refusal to simply answer the question speaks volumes.

The word doesn't say.

Do you think that God revealed everything to Paul all at once?

Perhaps at the same time many others at Corinth were baptized..."And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized." (Acts 18:8)

You're the one who said:

Why then did Paul water baptize . . . [all the] men listed in 1 Cor 1?

Paul says He didn't baptize anyone except for Crispus, Gaius, and the Household of Stephanas. Are you calling him a liar?[/QUOTE]

 

[Right Divider]

Paul did not baptize anyone in Act 19:1-7. Paul was talking about what had happened long before...

Acts 19:1-7 (AKJV/PCE)
(19:1) And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, (19:2) He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. (19:3) And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. (19:4) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. (19:5) When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (19:6) And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. (19:7) And all the men were about twelve.

Verse 5 is STILL Paul talking about what happened in verse 4. That is also why there is an AND to begin the next sentence in verse 6. The THEY in verse 5 refers to "the people" in verse 4.

 

[Hoping]

Then why did you say...
If you don't believe that Paul was the one who did it?

Nobody else but Paul is mentioned.

Just like Israel... Hmmm...

If you mean believers from Israel, yes !

Whereas with the Body of Christ, there is ONE baptism, not multiple..

Which one are you willing to forego?
The one done in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins?
Or the one given by God to the truly repentant?
Actually, you can only refuse the first, but then somehow expect God will reward you with the Holy Ghost in a still polluted "temple".

Things that are different are not the same.

It is your doctrine that separates the believing Jews from the believing Gentiles.
It has made two different churches when they are still one.

Because of the distinction between the dispensation of grace given to Paul, versus the dispensation of the New Covenant given to the Twelve Apostles.
But you'll ignore that because of your a-priori beliefs.

I believe what is written by holy folks.

What baptism of the Holy Spirit?

The one done when Paul put his hands on them..."And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." (Acts 19:6)

Reading things into the text, again?

Nope, just reading texts.

I see one baptism with water in verse 3, and a baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus in verse 5.

They are the same water baptism, but now done in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.

I don't see any baptism in verse 6, but you say there is.

I am surprised you can't see it. (Acts 19:6)

So does that not make it three baptisms, according to you?

Nope, one done by men at the behest of Christ Jesus, and Peter, and one done by God in response to a true repentance from sin.

Now compare that with the ONE baptism for the Body of Christ.
Things that are diifferent are not the same.

Only in your doctrine are they different.
I rejoice in my being enabled to partake in and of the Lord's body with Gentiles and Jews.

So clearly not like what Paul was teaching to the gentiles...

Do you really think the twelve at Ephesus, who had never heard of the Holy Ghost, were Jews?
LOL

Your refusal to simply answer the question speaks volumes.

Isn't it you who isn't responding?

Do you think that God revealed everything to Paul all at once?

Who cares?
God isn't going to make two churches that preach different manners of salvation.
Like you would have folks believe.

You're the one who said:

Yes.

Paul says He didn't baptize anyone except for Crispus, Gaius, and the Household of Stephanas. Are you calling him a liar?

Nope.
Perhaps Paul only listed the most prominent folks who would be well known by the church in Corinth and the surrounding area.
Or maybe he baptized five or ten, and let them baptize the others.
Just the fact he baptized anyone makes it clear to me that water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins was still a church commandment they adhered to.

 

[DAN P]

Why then did Paul water baptize the twelve at Ephesus? (Acts 19)
And the all men listed in 1 Cor 1?

Acts 19:4 the Greek word , BAPTISM / BAPTIZO is really a Greek BAPTISMA / is not water , but a BAPTIZER .

as to verse 4 and 5 the 12 baptizo / placed into , into the name of the Lord Jesus .

then in verse 6 , Paul , having laid hands upon them . Holy Spirit came upon them and they speaking in languages and were prophesying .

so we see that Paul did not water baptize them and what happened here is the same at Acts 2 , Pentecost .

dan p