Nazaroo
New member
I'm posting this to here
so I don't have to keep doing this over again:
Thanks for playing.
But the real crime here is that you haven't even properly defined "Jew"
as it is used in the Bible, let alone how it is used in the REAL WORLD.
Lets give it a try:
MEANINGS OF "JEW"
I. Biblical Meanings: Literal
(1) Descendant of the Tribe of Judah, one of Jacob's sons through MALE line. (cf. Genesis etc.)
(2) Member of the Southern Kingdom of 'Judah', consisting of 2 1/2 tribes,
Judah, Benjamin, Levi (cf. Books of Kings)
(3) Member of the community of exiles primarily in Babylon,
formed after the conquest of the Southern kingdom of 'Judah'
by Babylon (cf. Esther)
(4) Exile Returning to the land of Judaea who could prove their lineage
and descendancy, and member of the community formed under Ezra (cf. Ezra/Nehemiah)
(5) Member of the religious community occupying Palestine and Egypt,
formed under Ezra and having autonomy,
then resisting the Greek occupation under Alexander, and later
existing under occupation by the Romans in Jesus' time, and at times.
(cf. Maccabees etc.)
(6) Member of the 'diaspora' of exiled descendants of Israelite tribes
spread all over the Roman Empire, but self-identifying as Israelites and
practicing Phariseeism (cf. Paul)
(7) Any Person intermarrying with "Jews" (4,5,6) and adopting Jewish
religious practices.
After the advent of Ezra, there was a large split in "Judaism"
with Ezra's community rejecting proselytism and intermarriage,
considering it a violation of the Mosiac Covenant through disobediance,
while "Jews" who did not return but continued intermarriage self-identified
as "Jews" also, with a different set of membership rules.
II. Biblical Meanings: Figurative
(8) Representation of the Southern Kingdom as "Judah", a poetic usage.
(9) Representation of the descendants of the ancient Israelite tribes,
a poetic usage.
III. NON-Biblical Meanings: Racial/Political
(10) A person having or claiming descendancy from the historical tribes of Israel,
i.e., an ethnic definition of "Jew". (as used by many Jews today).
(11) A person practicing some recognized form of "Judaism",
a modern religion evolving out of Phariseeism and surviving sects existing
before the Roman/Jewish Wars, i.e., a religious definition of "Jew".
(as used in the Western nations)
(12) A citizen of modern Israel, a secular state formed on ethnic
and religious lines, out of ethnically "Jewish" survivors and assenters
arising out of the 2nd World War, and Holocaust.
(as used by Arabs and Muslims throughout the Middle East today).
As an important footnote, NONE of the modern meanings of "Jew" (10,11,12)
have any proper or accurate correspondence with the many Biblical meanings
listed above,
but which are often INTERPRETED, TRANSLATED, or INSERTED into
the standard religious texts as "Jew".
So called 'modern' versions of the Bible that insert "Jew" are an obvious FAIL,
and are based on a bigoted, oversimplistic, and religious or propaganda-based
spin that perpetuates racism and anti-Semitism against a modern group
of people which is largely non-religious.
Lets add one more unfortunately prejorative slang usage of "Jew",
in fact used in the very title of this thread:
(13) A derogatory term implying cheapness or cunning in business dealing,
and strongly suggestive of dishonesty and deceit, fraud,
and often used as an adjective or verb:
Examples:
"You got Jewed." (i.e., got ripped off in a business exchange)
"Don't be a Jew." (i.e., don't be stingy, and pay your way or take your economic responsibility).
Such usages are not unique to anti-Semitism, as many racial and tribal groups have derogatory names
which can be used to suggest negative traits as if they were inherited or intrinsic to a nation or culture.
Lets take away one very important point:
There cannot be only one single
meaning for "Jew" at this point in history,
and it is a very poor word to use in the translation of ancient texts without
extensive footnotes and historical explanations.
so I don't have to keep doing this over again:
Thanks for playing.
But the real crime here is that you haven't even properly defined "Jew"
as it is used in the Bible, let alone how it is used in the REAL WORLD.
Lets give it a try:
MEANINGS OF "JEW"
I. Biblical Meanings: Literal
(1) Descendant of the Tribe of Judah, one of Jacob's sons through MALE line. (cf. Genesis etc.)
(2) Member of the Southern Kingdom of 'Judah', consisting of 2 1/2 tribes,
Judah, Benjamin, Levi (cf. Books of Kings)
(3) Member of the community of exiles primarily in Babylon,
formed after the conquest of the Southern kingdom of 'Judah'
by Babylon (cf. Esther)
(4) Exile Returning to the land of Judaea who could prove their lineage
and descendancy, and member of the community formed under Ezra (cf. Ezra/Nehemiah)
(5) Member of the religious community occupying Palestine and Egypt,
formed under Ezra and having autonomy,
then resisting the Greek occupation under Alexander, and later
existing under occupation by the Romans in Jesus' time, and at times.
(cf. Maccabees etc.)
(6) Member of the 'diaspora' of exiled descendants of Israelite tribes
spread all over the Roman Empire, but self-identifying as Israelites and
practicing Phariseeism (cf. Paul)
(7) Any Person intermarrying with "Jews" (4,5,6) and adopting Jewish
religious practices.
After the advent of Ezra, there was a large split in "Judaism"
with Ezra's community rejecting proselytism and intermarriage,
considering it a violation of the Mosiac Covenant through disobediance,
while "Jews" who did not return but continued intermarriage self-identified
as "Jews" also, with a different set of membership rules.
II. Biblical Meanings: Figurative
(8) Representation of the Southern Kingdom as "Judah", a poetic usage.
(9) Representation of the descendants of the ancient Israelite tribes,
a poetic usage.
III. NON-Biblical Meanings: Racial/Political
(10) A person having or claiming descendancy from the historical tribes of Israel,
i.e., an ethnic definition of "Jew". (as used by many Jews today).
(11) A person practicing some recognized form of "Judaism",
a modern religion evolving out of Phariseeism and surviving sects existing
before the Roman/Jewish Wars, i.e., a religious definition of "Jew".
(as used in the Western nations)
(12) A citizen of modern Israel, a secular state formed on ethnic
and religious lines, out of ethnically "Jewish" survivors and assenters
arising out of the 2nd World War, and Holocaust.
(as used by Arabs and Muslims throughout the Middle East today).
As an important footnote, NONE of the modern meanings of "Jew" (10,11,12)
have any proper or accurate correspondence with the many Biblical meanings
listed above,
but which are often INTERPRETED, TRANSLATED, or INSERTED into
the standard religious texts as "Jew".
So called 'modern' versions of the Bible that insert "Jew" are an obvious FAIL,
and are based on a bigoted, oversimplistic, and religious or propaganda-based
spin that perpetuates racism and anti-Semitism against a modern group
of people which is largely non-religious.
Lets add one more unfortunately prejorative slang usage of "Jew",
in fact used in the very title of this thread:
(13) A derogatory term implying cheapness or cunning in business dealing,
and strongly suggestive of dishonesty and deceit, fraud,
and often used as an adjective or verb:
Examples:
"You got Jewed." (i.e., got ripped off in a business exchange)
"Don't be a Jew." (i.e., don't be stingy, and pay your way or take your economic responsibility).
Such usages are not unique to anti-Semitism, as many racial and tribal groups have derogatory names
which can be used to suggest negative traits as if they were inherited or intrinsic to a nation or culture.
Lets take away one very important point:
There cannot be only one single
meaning for "Jew" at this point in history,
and it is a very poor word to use in the translation of ancient texts without
extensive footnotes and historical explanations.