However? However?! That's the guy in the white shirt and black tie in the video you just shared writing "however."![]()
No, it is the gospel of circumcision. You don't believe the red letters?
However? However?! That's the guy in the white shirt and black tie in the video you just shared writing "however."![]()
No, it is the gospel of circumcision.
You don't believe the red letters?
godrulz said everything in the video. He is the guy in the white shirt and black tie. The only thing he didn't say is when I mocked him at the end about his personal demon controlling him.
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By no works of the law will anybody be justified. However, that doesn't undo the perpetual covenant with Israel whereby they will keep the law, or they will not be justified.
What, in your mind, is the precise scriptural relationship between the two, and where is that relationship presented in the pages of extant scripture?
Doormat said:The one that is new is actually older than the one that is old, i.e. the new covenant fulfils the promises made to Abraham BEFORE the law of Moses, and it abrogates the old covenant.
No ....
Gal 3:14 is about faith, not the new covenant.
God did not make his covenants with the "Kingdom" but with the houses of Israel and Judah. But *this* is the covenant that he made with them:
Doormat said:Perhaps I can show you from scripture that it was already fulfilled in Christ. I believe I can.
Please do.
By no works of the law will anybody be justified. However, that doesn't undo the perpetual covenant with Israel whereby they will keep the law, or they will not be justified.
I believe what the Bible says. It says Israel was put away, and gentiles raised up through Paul's unique ministry.
This is not unique to MAD and is the gist of Acts 2 disp (my view) also.
Doormat said:Perhaps I can show you from scripture that it was already fulfilled in Christ. I believe I can.
Please do.
Thank you for editing your post.
God gave Abraham a reward. The reward was God Himself (Gen 15:1 KJV). Abraham wondered how he would pass this reward on since he had no children (Gen 15:2-3). God promised Abraham children to inherit the Holy Spirit (Gen 15:4-5).
Abraham believed God (Gen 15:6). That is the promise Paul was writing about in Galatians 3:14.
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Gen 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
Gen 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
Gen 22:15 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Heb 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
Heb 6:14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
Heb 6:15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
The new covenant is the fulfilment of the promise (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Eze 37:14; Joel 2:28-29). For Jeremiah 31:31-34 to be accomplished in a person (conversion), it requires receiving the Holy Spirit.
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
After the Israelites were baptized in the Red Sea (1 Cor 10:2-4) we see from their song that they had an expectation to dwell with God in temple made with His hands (Ex 15:17).
Exo 15:17 Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established.
Exo 15:17 Bring them in and plant them in the mountain of their inheritance, in thy prepared habitation, which thou, O Lord, hast prepared; the sanctuary, O Lord, which thine hands have made ready.
No doubt this expectation was based on the promise God made to their father Abraham, but they could not see themselves as temples of the Holy Spirit (like 1 Cor 6:19) because of their hard hearts.
Following their idolatry, they made a burdensome contract (the old covenant) with God (Deut 6:29). Note that it was not God's first intention to do this (Jeremiah 7:22). God used this covenant with its typology to teach them and lead them to the promise made to Abraham (Gal 3:17), to eventually lead them to Christ (Galatians 3:24).
Galatians 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.
Please read the surrounding verses carefully. In context, Galatians 3:14 is clearly about the promise made to Abraham, that we would receive the Holy Spirit, becoming temples of God.
I agree, but believe that Israel/Olive Tree is Christ (See post #45 on this thread and Jer 3:16 cf. Ro 11:17).
My question you responded to was asked in response to VegasCowboy's question about a Kingdom covenant. If he believes there was/is a "Kingdom covenant," I would like to know what he thinks it is.
Luke 22:20 NASB And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
That, and everything I explained above should suffice. Is it not clear?
Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Change. See?
Brother WoundedEgo,
I meant compare Jer 11:16 with Ro 11:17. I wrote Jer 3:16 by mistake, and have edited my post. Sorry for any confusion on that point.
When Paul states "the law written in their hearts" it is equivalent to the fulfillment of the new covenant: "I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts." Jeremiah 31:33.
My question for you is: Is Romans 2:14-15 true about you? If not, why?
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another![]()
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There is no mention of "the Holy Spirit" in the text,
...and "Spirit" is a bogus word, as is the notion of a name, or title, "the Holy Spirit".
But I'm glad that you are attempting to defend your position with scriptural assertions.
But when you make these leaps, where you assert something and "prove" your words by associating them with an unrelated verse or citation, you lose all credibility and come off as simply devious. Couching your own thoughts in between two scriptures references does not constitute a "study" but rather a mockery of one. Please refrain from that practice. Thank you.
Actually, Galatians 3:14 is referring to is not related to covenant but was a reward for his obedience in the matter of the binding and offering his only son, Isaac:
The words "the promise" had come to have a fixed meaning:
I have already shown that "the promise" of "the blessing" was unrelated to any covenant, and does not require any new covenant to be fulfilled.
It does not come by covenant but *promise* ...
Actually, I believe that they considered the promised land to *be* a sanctuary for God to dwell in, prepared by God for them, and he had done so with *his* hands.
The LXX has it like this:
This, we are told, will be fulfilled when the new Jerusalem descends from the sky to the middle east and the dwelling place of God is forever set up in a walled city, "the holy city" in the promised land.
In the song, they got it right. The mistake is not theirs but all yours.
As I said, having started out on the wrong foot...
No, the root of the olive tree is Abraham, while the natural branches are the Jews and the wild branches, grafted in, are the gentiles. The natural branches, or at least all in the future, will be grafted *back* in.
Jesus, on the other hand, as the *vine* is a completely different metaphor, relating to Isaiah 5.
This indeed refers to the new covenant. It is something completely independent of the promise of the blessing to Abraham and his seed which comes by promise by faith, not by covenant.
I have shown, point by point, that your explanation is completely incorrect.
Sorry to pop your bubble.
Romans 2:14-15 is referring to their natural ability, general revelation and conscience. If we take it as the work of the holy breath, received by faith through the gospel, still there is no appeal whatsoever to conscience because the promise came with no reference to covenant:
Doormat said:Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
I'm not sure how you understand "change" so I thought I should clarify...
The point is not that the law would be *altered* (that would be impossible)
but rather that there would be a *different law applicable*... in other words,
it is about a change of applicable law.
The law of Moses only applied to the Aaronic/Levitic priesthood, not to the Melchizedechian one.
I hope this is helpful.
...If God states He is your reward, and God is Spirit, then logically the reward is the Spirit. Confirmed by Galatians 3:14.
Rom 4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Cheers.Luk_24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Act_1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act_2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act_2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act_7:17 But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt,
Act_13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
Act_26:6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:
Rom_4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom_4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom_4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom_4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom_9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Gal_3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal_3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal_3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal_3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal_3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
2Ti_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
Heb_6:15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
Heb_9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb_10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Heb_11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
2Pe_3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
1Jn_2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.