Millions of Muslims are voting with their feet - Migrants reject ISIS

[Alate_One]

Here's the real message of the so-called Migrant crisis.

Millions of Muslims in Syria have no desire to live under ISIS rule. Instead they are risking their lives to try to make it to live in Europe.

The majority of Sunni Muslims who oppose President Bashar Assad's regime also reject the ISIS hard-line ideology. No amount of propaganda videos can counter the image of desperate Syrian families on the move with their children, willing to sacrifice everything on the gamble for a better future in Europe. More than 4 million Syrians have fled the country since the war began in 2011 and nearly 8 million are displaced inside the country. Together, these 12 million Syrians account for more than half of the country's prewar population of about 23 million."

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The migrant crisis alone should tell the world that the majority of Muslims want nothing to do with extremists like ISIS. And simultaneously it takes power away from ISIS by destroying their narrative of a caliphate that faithful muslims should join. The world should accept more of these migrants and take the power away from ISIS by removing people for them to oppress.

 

[aikido7]

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Millions of Muslims in Syria have no desire to live under ISIS rule. Instead they are risking their lives to try to make it to live in Europe....

Frankly, I am surprised this post even showed up on TOL !!!

Too many of us would rather fiddle with our smartphones or watch television instead of cracking open a book, reading the newspapers and taking a look at the news magazines.

 

[Eeset]

Maybe Europe should accept the women and children on condition that the male refugees sign up for the military, get training and return to free Syria from ISIS. :idunno:

 

[shagster01]

Maybe Europe should accept the women and children on condition that the male refugees sign up for the military, get training and return to free Syria from ISIS. :idunno:

I dig that idea.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

More than 4 million Syrians have fled the country since the war began in 2011 and nearly 8 million are displaced inside the country. Together, these 12 million Syrians account for more than half of the country's prewar population of about 23 million."...

The migrant crisis alone should tell the world that the majority of Muslims want nothing to do with extremists like ISIS.

12 million fleeing a country is by no means a "majority" when it comes to the 2.8 billion Muslims worldwide that sit back and allow the so-called "radicals" of their supposed "peaceful" religion to do what Allah commands of all Muslims:

Kill all infidels.

The majority of Germans sat back while Hitler and his SS murdered millions, the same goes with the Chinese and Mao, the Russians with Lenin and Stalin, etc. etc. etc.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Maybe Europe should accept the women and children on condition that the male refugees sign up for the military, get training and return to free Syria from ISIS. :idunno:

Killing their own? (No virgins in Allah heaven for you!).

Convert them to Christianity first and you have a great idea.

 

[Alate_One]

12 million fleeing a country is by no means a "majority" when it comes to the 2.8 billion Muslims worldwide that sit back and allow the so-called "radicals" of their supposed "peaceful" religion to do what Allah commands of all Muslims:

Kill all infidels.

I see millions of people risk their lives to leave and it's not good enough for you. Surprise surprise. Millions of Muslims do not kill infidels though nor are they supporting governments that do so.

The majority of Germans sat back while Hitler and his SS murdered millions, the same goes with the Chinese and Mao, the Russians with Lenin and Stalin, etc. etc. etc.

And let's recall that the majority of Germans at the time were Christian.

"God With Us" on the belt buckle.

 

[The Berean]

A lot of people are patting themselves on the back about "helping" the refugees move to Europe. Except what happens when the refugees can't find housing or jobs or schools for their children? The answer is that they will be forced to live in ghettos and create a massive new underclass. :sigh:

 

[Alate_One]

That is a problem but much of Europe has a very low birth rate at the moment and actually needs new young workers.

 

[The Berean]

That is a problem but much of Europe has a very low birth rate at the moment and actually needs new young workers.

But what kinds of jobs need new workers? Most are high skill jobs that require a lot of education. Germany needs more engineers and technicians not more dish washers and hamburger flippers.

Labor Shortage: Germany Needs More Immigrants

Two years ago, the German government enacted the “blue card” system for non-EU nationals who are willing to stay and live permanently in Germany to replenish its dwindling labor force. Similar to a green card in the United States, an immigrant is eligible to apply for a blue card if he or she has a confirmed job offer or a valid work contract with a sponsoring employer, holds a university degree, and earns an annual salary of at least 35,000 euros.

I suspect the vast majority of the refugees don't hold university degrees. So this idea that these refugees can "help" Germany with it's labor shortage is simply wishful thinking.

Also, even if the refugees can find jobs there have no place to live. That is something that cannot be emphasized enough.

Sweden has a major job and housing shortage. I posted this video in another thread.

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I afraid all these refugees moving into Europe all at once is just going to create a huge underclass, create more crime ridden ghettos, and fuel anti-immigrant and white nationalist groups.

 

[Alate_One]

But what kinds of jobs need new workers? Most are high skill jobs that require a lot of education. Germany needs more engineers and technicians not more dish washers and hamburger flippers.

And Germany has a great apprenticeship program.

I afraid all these refugees moving into Europe all at once is just going to create a huge underclass, create more crime ridden ghettos, and fuel anti-immigrant and white nationalist groups.

Well if there's an underclass it's the problem of European citizenship. You can't become a citizen for several generations in many countries.

I do agree with your video that the problem needs to be dealt with in Syria. Problem is nobody knows how or wants to spend the money to do that. But that is the ideal situation.

 

[The Berean]

And Germany has a great apprenticeship program.

Those apprenticeship programs have very stringent qualifications and already turn away many, many qualified Germans. How are refugees that don't speak or write German going go get into these already impacted apprenticeship programs?

Why Germany Is So Much Better at Training Its Workers

“Building world-class diesel parts is hard,” the executive in charge of the program explained. “We’re very careful about who we hire. We’re looking for quality.” As for trainees, they learn quickly enough: A mistake on the factory floor is a million-dollar mistake—and they grow up fast, learning not just skills but responsibility. No wonder the apprenticeships are popular: At the John Deere plant in Mannheim, 3,100 young people apply each year for 60 slots, at Deutsche Bank in Frankfurt, it’s 22,000 applicants for 425 places.


Prospect of vocational training

EU citizens have been eligible to apply for apprenticeships in Germany for a number of years now. This is a consequence of the so-called freedom of establishment and freedom to provide services within the European Union. For young people from the EU, the chances of securing an apprenticeship in Germany have improved in recent years. This is because the German economy is currently so vibrant that there are not enough applicants to fill all the apprenticeships on offer. Indeed, youth unemployment in Germany is among the lowest in Europe. As a result, more and more German companies are now looking to other EU countries for suitable apprentices and are delighted to receive applications from there.

Given that an apprenticeship generally involves attending a vocational school, applicants are also required to be competent in the German language. However, measures to improve language skills can also be undertaken in parallel to an apprenticeship. Under certain conditions, nationals of non-EU countries can also undergo vocational training in Germany. In such cases, it is advisable to consult at an early date with the company offering the training and with the relevant government agency. Before a visa application is lodged, the prospective employer can also request clarification from the International and Specialized Services (ZAV) as to whether the offer of vocational training is practicable in the specific case.


Also, there is a problem with non-Germans getting into these apprenticeship programs.

No guest workers please

Well if there's an underclass it's the problem of European citizenship. You can't become a citizen for several generations in many countries.

Ok, but there's a deeper underlying issues hoere. As seen in France many immigrants refuse to integrate into French culture. They are creating an underclass for themselves it seems.

I do agree with your video that the problem needs to be dealt with in Syria. Problem is nobody knows how or wants to spend the money to do that. But that is the ideal situation.

The main point of the video is that any solution to the refugee problem shouldn't JUST be to move them to Western Europe and no other action is needed.

 

[OCTOBER23]

WAIT TILL ISRAEL BLOWS UP THE IRANIAN "NUCKL-EAR" FACILITY IN 2017.

Then the Iranians will go all over the world.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
12 million fleeing a country is by no means a "majority" when it comes to the 2.8 billion Muslims worldwide that sit back and allow the so-called "radicals" of their supposed "peaceful" religion to do what Allah commands of all Muslims:

Kill all infidels.

I see millions of people risk their lives to leave and it's not good enough for you. Surprise surprise. Millions of Muslims do not kill infidels though nor are they supporting governments that do so.

Yet they sit back quietly while Christians are being murdered on a daily basis.

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/middle-east/syria/


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
The majority of Germans sat back while Hitler and his SS murdered millions, the same goes with the Chinese and Mao, the Russians with Lenin and Stalin, etc. etc. etc.

And let's recall that the majority of Germans at the time were Christian.

Maybe the German people were, but Hitler had a deep HATRED of not only Jews, but of Christianity as well (3 million Polish Christians murdered; thousands of Catholic Priests and Christian Pastors forced into concentration camps, etc.)
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/NonJewishVictims.html

So what is your solution to the problem in the Middle East, the typical liberal solution:

doing nothing?

 

[rocketman]

So what is your solution to the problem in the Middle East, the typical liberal solution:



doing nothing?

It's all they got...

 

[Alate_One]

It's all they got...

What's your solution? Turn the place into a parking lot?

For a solution, there needs to be partnerships with people in the region. We'll have to bargain with people we don't like. The US can't be the sole fixer of all problems. Mostly because we're not actually good at fixing them.

 

[shagster01]

Killing their own? (No virgins in Allah heaven for you!).

Convert them to Christianity first and you have a great idea.

Killing muslims is only for Christians, huh?