On the Seventh Day

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A law is nothing more than something established. Like the law of gravity or entropy. We are made in God's image and likeness. That is a law, something established, that just is. With that in mind, let's take a look at the law in Deuteronomy 30:10-14. There we will find that they who would come to God, at that time Israel or the stranger within their gates are instructed to hearken unto the voice of the Lord, keeping of the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law. And that this Word is in our hearts and mouths that we do it. Please note that it doesn't say put in, but that it is in. Therefore, it is something that is established, therefore a law. Which makes sense, since we were made in His image and likeness. One should also note that verse 10 does not mention the judgements. That is because there is No need for them if we are living according to how we are made. Being made in His image and likeness, with His word in our hearts and mouths. This law is also paraphrased in Romans 10:6-8 showing it's implications in and through Christ. This can also be seen in Acts 17, where Paul says to pagans, for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. His use of the word "we" includes those to whom he was speaking. Which makes sense, since we are all made in His image and likeness. And part of that since the Garden of Eden is hearkening unto His voice. For in Him we live, move and have our being.

So with that in mind, our bodies have a natural 7-day rest cycle. This natural 7-day rest cycle is bound up in all of biology. Almost, if not everything that has a body, from insects to fish to mammals, has a natural built in, 7-day cycle. It's in our genetics and is called the “Circaseptan rhythm”.
According to the field of chronobiology, almost, if not all life operates on this cycle, and the biological need for rest. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, these rhythms continue to persist, indicating that it may be inherent in origin. iIn other words We need rest every 7th day regardless of our environment.

It is interesting that almost all, if not creation that has a body has this Circaseptan rhythm and on the 7th day God rested and WAS refreshed. Couple that with the fact that He did so is the reason why he reminded us of ALL the moral instructions and included the rest on the seventh day, since we are made in His image and likeness. IT IS THE BEST TIME TO DO SO. But Not only us, but the very creatures, livestock to which we have taken under our care are to do so, that they have rest and be refreshed at the best possible time that is given in relation to the genetic rhythm in all that God gave a body. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, as was said, these rhythms persist, which indicate that it is inherent in origin. And Being made in God's image likeness show us that it is inherent. And when we fell away in Eden is why God reminded us of the Sabbath and taught us to keep it, to protect us and creation from harm and live to our full potential. Incidentally, the busy Beaver and, Bee and various species of birds have been observed in this cessation from work on Saturday. Which is a powerful testimony also in respect to the 7th day being the day of rest.





If we would define moral instruction we would say that these instructions are that which keep us and society from harm.

The following is an excerpt from a study found at the National Library of Medicine. Link embedded.

What is the significance of the 7 d activity/rest cycle, i.e. week, storied in the Book of Genesis and adopted by the Hebrews and thereafter the residents of nearby Mediterranean countries and ultimately the world? Why do humans require 1 d off per 7 d span? Do 7 d rhythms bestow functional advantage to organisms? Is the magic ascribed to the number 7 of relevance? We hypothesize the 7 d time structure of human beings is endogenous in origin - a hypothesis that is affirmed by a wide array of evidence - and synchronized by sociocultural factors linked to the Saturday (Hebrews) or Sunday (Christian) holy day of rest. We also hypothesize they are representative, at least in part, of the biological requirement for rest and repair 1 d each 7 d, just as the circadian time structure is representative, in part, of the biological need for rest and repair each 24 h.


When our mind is already made up and we think we know something, what is possibility of it being changed?
 

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A law is nothing more than something established. Like the law of gravity or entropy. We are made in God's image and likeness. That is a law, something established, that just is. With that in mind, let's take a look at the law in Deuteronomy 30:10-14. There we will find that they who would come to God, at that time Israel or the stranger within their gates are instructed to hearken unto the voice of the Lord, keeping of the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law. And that this Word is in our hearts and mouths that we do it. Please note that it doesn't say put in, but that it is in. Therefore, it is something that is established, therefore a law. Which makes sense, since we were made in His image and likeness. One should also note that verse 10 does not mention the judgements. That is because there is No need for them if we are living according to how we are made. Being made in His image and likeness, with His word in our hearts and mouths. This law is also paraphrased in Romans 10:6-8 showing it's implications in and through Christ. This can also be seen in Acts 17, where Paul says to pagans, for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. His use of the word "we" includes those to whom he was speaking. Which makes sense, since we are all made in His image and likeness. And part of that since the Garden of Eden is hearkening unto His voice. For in Him we live, move and have our being.

So with that in mind, our bodies have a natural 7-day rest cycle. This natural 7-day rest cycle is bound up in all of biology. Almost, if not everything that has a body, from insects to fish to mammals, has a natural built in, 7-day cycle. It's in our genetics and is called the “Circaseptan rhythm”.
According to the field of chronobiology, almost, if not all life operates on this cycle, and the biological need for rest. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, these rhythms continue to persist, indicating that it may be inherent in origin. iIn other words We need rest every 7th day regardless of our environment.

It is interesting that almost all, if not creation that has a body has this Circaseptan rhythm and on the 7th day God rested and WAS refreshed. Couple that with the fact that He did so is the reason why he reminded us of ALL the moral instructions and included the rest on the seventh day, since we are made in His image and likeness. IT IS THE BEST TIME TO DO SO. But Not only us, but the very creatures, livestock to which we have taken under our care are to do so, that they have rest and be refreshed at the best possible time that is given in relation to the genetic rhythm in all that God gave a body. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, as was said, these rhythms persist, which indicate that it is inherent in origin. And Being made in God's image likeness show us that it is inherent. And when we fell away in Eden is why God reminded us of the Sabbath and taught us to keep it, to protect us and creation from harm and live to our full potential. Incidentally, the busy Beaver and, Bee and various species of birds have been observed in this cessation from work on Saturday. Which is a powerful testimony also in respect to the 7th day being the day of rest.





If we would define moral instruction we would say that these instructions are that which keep us and society from harm.

The following is an excerpt from a study found at the National Library of Medicine. Link embedded.

What is the significance of the 7 d activity/rest cycle, i.e. week, storied in the Book of Genesis and adopted by the Hebrews and thereafter the residents of nearby Mediterranean countries and ultimately the world? Why do humans require 1 d off per 7 d span? Do 7 d rhythms bestow functional advantage to organisms? Is the magic ascribed to the number 7 of relevance? We hypothesize the 7 d time structure of human beings is endogenous in origin - a hypothesis that is affirmed by a wide array of evidence - and synchronized by sociocultural factors linked to the Saturday (Hebrews) or Sunday (Christian) holy day of rest. We also hypothesize they are representative, at least in part, of the biological requirement for rest and repair 1 d each 7 d, just as the circadian time structure is representative, in part, of the biological need for rest and repair each 24 h.


When our mind is already made up and we think we know something, what is possibility of it being changed?
So you're ok with a rest every, say, Tuesday, right?
 

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A law is nothing more than something established. Like the law of gravity or entropy. We are made in God's image and likeness. That is a law, something established, that just is. With that in mind, let's take a look at the law in Deuteronomy 30:10-14. There we will find that they who would come to God, at that time Israel or the stranger within their gates are instructed to hearken unto the voice of the Lord, keeping of the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law. And that this Word is in our hearts and mouths that we do it. Please note that it doesn't say put in, but that it is in. Therefore, it is something that is established, therefore a law. Which makes sense, since we were made in His image and likeness. One should also note that verse 10 does not mention the judgements. That is because there is No need for them if we are living according to how we are made. Being made in His image and likeness, with His word in our hearts and mouths. This law is also paraphrased in Romans 10:6-8 showing it's implications in and through Christ. This can also be seen in Acts 17, where Paul says to pagans, for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. His use of the word "we" includes those to whom he was speaking. Which makes sense, since we are all made in His image and likeness. And part of that since the Garden of Eden is hearkening unto His voice. For in Him we live, move and have our being.

So with that in mind, our bodies have a natural 7-day rest cycle. This natural 7-day rest cycle is bound up in all of biology. Almost, if not everything that has a body, from insects to fish to mammals, has a natural built in, 7-day cycle. It's in our genetics and is called the “Circaseptan rhythm”.
According to the field of chronobiology, almost, if not all life operates on this cycle, and the biological need for rest. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, these rhythms continue to persist, indicating that it may be inherent in origin. iIn other words We need rest every 7th day regardless of our environment.

It is interesting that almost all, if not creation that has a body has this Circaseptan rhythm and on the 7th day God rested and WAS refreshed. Couple that with the fact that He did so is the reason why he reminded us of ALL the moral instructions and included the rest on the seventh day, since we are made in His image and likeness. IT IS THE BEST TIME TO DO SO. But Not only us, but the very creatures, livestock to which we have taken under our care are to do so, that they have rest and be refreshed at the best possible time that is given in relation to the genetic rhythm in all that God gave a body. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, as was said, these rhythms persist, which indicate that it is inherent in origin. And Being made in God's image likeness show us that it is inherent. And when we fell away in Eden is why God reminded us of the Sabbath and taught us to keep it, to protect us and creation from harm and live to our full potential. Incidentally, the busy Beaver and, Bee and various species of birds have been observed in this cessation from work on Saturday. Which is a powerful testimony also in respect to the 7th day being the day of rest.





If we would define moral instruction we would say that these instructions are that which keep us and society from harm.

The following is an excerpt from a study found at the National Library of Medicine. Link embedded.

What is the significance of the 7 d activity/rest cycle, i.e. week, storied in the Book of Genesis and adopted by the Hebrews and thereafter the residents of nearby Mediterranean countries and ultimately the world? Why do humans require 1 d off per 7 d span? Do 7 d rhythms bestow functional advantage to organisms? Is the magic ascribed to the number 7 of relevance? We hypothesize the 7 d time structure of human beings is endogenous in origin - a hypothesis that is affirmed by a wide array of evidence - and synchronized by sociocultural factors linked to the Saturday (Hebrews) or Sunday (Christian) holy day of rest. We also hypothesize they are representative, at least in part, of the biological requirement for rest and repair 1 d each 7 d, just as the circadian time structure is representative, in part, of the biological need for rest and repair each 24 h.


When our mind is already made up and we think we know something, what is possibility of it being changed?
I look at scripture in this way: First and foremost it is about God. It is also about God's relationship with humanity ... and with Satan and his rebellious ones from time to time. Since it is first about God, then I try to look at what I can learn about God as I study all scripture.

I happen to believe the Seventh day belongs to the LORD. In Exodus 20:8,10 it says: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou (man) shalt not do any work...

My KJV uses the word elohiym/some write Elohim to talk about God the Spirit described in Genesis 1 ... but by the 7th day the more specific name LORD/YHWH surfaces: so, I asked on day, "Who is YHWH?" Well, if you read in Genesis HE was Elohim the Creator of the first 6 days but he now has an official name and he is a more hands on face to face walking talking God. Yet, Elohim is the LORD and the LORD is Elohim; therefore, the only thing the given name LORD/YHWH seems to do is distinguish between work which was done and where. Gen. 1 was a more spiritual work done in an out of this world realm where LIGHT, the sun, moon, stars, and finally the earth were created. The work done on the Sabbath Day done more hands on in the Garden.
was done upon the earth where these things were done: Took a void earth and began to bring forth things which did not exist there. He formed a physical body for the spiritual essence of male and female and began a relationship with humanity in a Garden. Brought forth animals and all sorts of things.

Well, Matthew 12:1-8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath ... now who does that make Jesus? It makes him Elohim/The LORD/YHWH who took part in all creation by being the living WORD of God.

Mark 2:27-28 Then he (Jesus) said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath

If our Lord Jesus and The LORD Father are ONE as scripture says then our Lord Jesus was there with the Father and was the Father on the 7th day. Our Lord Jesus was THE MAN for whom the Sabbath was made; so, who is the other man which is mentioned? The man who was not made or created for the Sabbath? I suggest huMANity! Humanity was not to work on the Sabbath because man did not do any works of creation on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was the day that our LORD worked and when he came as our Lord Messiah he would demonstrate how he was the very Creator who did things on the Seventh day. Resting on the Sabbath for humanity was to be a sign for when THE MAN/son of man/son of God/God came and showed who he was when he did works on HIS DAY!

Well, Jesus did that but it just wasn't enough to satisfy a lot of people of who he really was as The LORD of the Sabbath!



Luke 6: 1-5
 

Him

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I look at scripture in this way: First and foremost it is about God. It is also about God's relationship with humanity ... and with Satan and his rebellious ones from time to time. Since it is first about God, then I try to look at what I can learn about God as I study all scripture.

I happen to believe the Seventh day belongs to the LORD. In Exodus 20:8,10 it says: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou (man) shalt not do any work...

My KJV uses the word elohiym/some write Elohim to talk about God the Spirit described in Genesis 1 ... but by the 7th day the more specific name LORD/YHWH surfaces: so, I asked on day, "Who is YHWH?" Well, if you read in Genesis HE was Elohim the Creator of the first 6 days but he now has an official name and he is a more hands on face to face walking talking God. Yet, Elohim is the LORD and the LORD is Elohim; therefore, the only thing the given name LORD/YHWH seems to do is distinguish between work which was done and where. Gen. 1 was a more spiritual work done in an out of this world realm where LIGHT, the sun, moon, stars, and finally the earth were created. The work done on the Sabbath Day done more hands on in the Garden.
was done upon the earth where these things were done: Took a void earth and began to bring forth things which did not exist there. He formed a physical body for the spiritual essence of male and female and began a relationship with humanity in a Garden. Brought forth animals and all sorts of things.

Well, Matthew 12:1-8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath ... now who does that make Jesus? It makes him Elohim/The LORD/YHWH who took part in all creation by being the living WORD of God.

Mark 2:27-28 Then he (Jesus) said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath

If our Lord Jesus and The LORD Father are ONE as scripture says then our Lord Jesus was there with the Father and was the Father on the 7th day. Our Lord Jesus was THE MAN for whom the Sabbath was made; so, who is the other man which is mentioned? The man who was not made or created for the Sabbath? I suggest huMANity! Humanity was not to work on the Sabbath because man did not do any works of creation on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was the day that our LORD worked and when he came as our Lord Messiah he would demonstrate how he was the very Creator who did things on the Seventh day. Resting on the Sabbath for humanity was to be a sign for when THE MAN/son of man/son of God/God came and showed who he was when he did works on HIS DAY!

Well, Jesus did that but it just wasn't enough to satisfy a lot of people of who he really was as The LORD of the Sabbath!



Luke 6: 1-5
Spiritual work not civil. Spirit driven people do as lead by the Spirit. Heal, preach, help one in need through the Spirit.
 

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Go read the chapter.

Then try again to say Paul isn't talking about sabbath days.
No mention of the Sabbath at all. As a matter of fact it is speaking on the traditions of man and their opinions, not God's Word.
How do we know?
Because it says so in verse 1.
And the differing opinions is shown to be opinions that are discerned outside of the Word of God by verse 2.
There it is mentioned that some are arguing over eating just vegetables. There is no thus saith the Lord in respect to that. It is just an opinion.

Rom 14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables.
 

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No mention of the Sabbath at all. As a matter of fact it is speaking on the traditions of man and their opinions, not God's Word.
How do we know?
Because it says so in verse 1.
And the differing opinions is shown to be opinions that are discerned outside of the Word of God by verse 2.
There it is mentioned that some are arguing over eating just vegetables. There is no thus saith the Lord in respect to that. It is just an opinion.

Rom 14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables.

We would just call that a devotion, as Catholic Christians. Many of us have the devotion of, for example, receiving Holy Communion every time we go to Mass. Others pray the rosary. But they are devotions, and not mandatory. They are supererogatory.

(ofc except that you do HAVE TO receive Holy Communion licitly once during the Easter season—which is weeks long—it doesn't constrain you to just one day. But aside from this one mandatory reception of Holy Communion, receiving the Eucharist is supererogatory when you're at Mass. You've fulfilled the Mass obligation in merely attending from when the gifts are presented, to when the celebrant consumes the Victim. After that, you do NOT have to stick around. For moral purposes. You pastor might prefer you stick around anyway, but that's him being you're pastor, pastorally advising you, recommending which devotions in particular he thinks would be good for you. You don't HAVE TO obey. But you should, prudence dictates, take him seriously, when he teaches a preference for one or more devotions. He's telling you, he thinks, in his vocation, as priest, as "father" of a parish, that this or these devotion or devotions, will be good for you—especially, in your spiritual war.)
 

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No mention of the Sabbath.
So you think that "every day" doesn't include sabbath days?

You're very special.

Col 2:16 (AKJV/PCE)​
(2:16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:​
 
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Him

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So you think that "every day" doesn't include sabbath days?
That does not answer the factual points shown you.

And no the word says what it says. Are you saying that we can add and or take away as we see fit to fit with our every whim?
You're very special.
So if antagonizing words like this being responded to antagonize one to sin back, who is responsible?
Col 2:16 (AKJV/PCE)​
(2:16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:​
The word is plural and the Context of the chapter disagrees with your assertion. These sabbaths mentioned are those to which pertained to the ceremonies and festivals.
If you think otherwise prove it within the context. This approach is much better than making a subjective comment and insulting.
 

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That does not answer the factual points shown you.
False... but thanks for the vacuous claim.
And no the word says what it says. Are you saying that we can add and or take away as we see fit to fit with our every whim?
I read it exactly as God wrote it.

Why did you ignore Col 2:16?
The word is plural and the Context of the chapter disagrees with your assertion. These sabbaths mentioned are those to which pertained to the ceremonies and festivals.
So the weekly seventh day sabbath does not count? Why do you falsely exclude it?
If you think otherwise prove it within the context. This approach is much better than making a subjective comment and insulting.
Nonsense.
 

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No mention of the Sabbath at all.

You're blind, and you expect to lead?

You didn't read it.

What else could Paul possibly be talking about?

LITERALLY NOTHING.

The context is the law.

Part of Israel's law was the keeping of the sabbath day. They "esteemed the sabbath day" above other days.
 

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You're blind, and you expect to lead?

You didn't read it.

What else could Paul possibly be talking about?

LITERALLY NOTHING.

The context is the law.

Part of Israel's law was the keeping of the sabbath day. They "esteemed the sabbath day" above other days.
More opinion with no objective bases. And another insult. Answer the objective points of the post or not. Take care
 

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More opinion with no objective bases.

My "objective base" is scripture, numbskull.

And another insult.

What I just said to you in my previous sentence was an insult.

I did not insult you in my previous post.

Learn the difference.

Answer the objective points of the post or not. Take care

I did. You're just too blind to see it. You have blinded yourself to the truth.

Paul is talking about people regarding certain days above others.

The Sabbath is a day regarded above others.

Ergo, Paul is talking, indirectly, about the Sabbath.

Is your IQ so low that you can't comprehend that?
 

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That does not answer the factual points shown you.

And no the word says what it says. Are you saying that we can add and or take away as we see fit to fit with our every whim?

So if antagonizing words like this being responded to antagonize one to sin back, who is responsible?

The word is plural and the Context of the chapter disagrees with your assertion. These sabbaths mentioned are those to which pertained to the ceremonies and festivals.
If you think otherwise prove it within the context. This approach is much better than making a subjective comment and insulting.
You should first prove your assertion within the context. You certainly haven't done so. Plural "sabbaths" can surely include single ones. Since you made the assertion, you prove your side first.
 

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Paul is talking about people regarding certain days above others.

The Sabbath is a day regarded above others.

Ergo, Paul is talking, indirectly, about the Sabbath.
No mention of the Sabbath at all. As a matter of fact it is speaking on the traditions of man and their opinions, not God's Word.
How do we know?
Because it says so in verse 1.
And the differing opinions is shown to be opinions that are discerned outside of the Word of God by verse 2.
There it is mentioned that some are arguing over eating just vegetables. There is no thus saith the Lord in respect to that. It is just an opinion.

Rom 14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables.
My "objective base" is scripture, numbskull.



What I just said to you in my previous sentence was an insult.

I did not insult you in my previous post.

Learn the difference.
You're blind, and you expect to lead?

I did. You're just too blind to see it. You have blinded yourself to the truth.
Is your IQ so low that you can't comprehend that?
Yes you did insult me when you said I was blind. Would you like my phone number so you can yell and scream your un-christ like comments to try to get your point across? Or maybe my address?

You should first prove your assertion within the context. You certainly haven't done so. Plural "sabbaths" can surely include single ones. Since you made the assertion, you prove your side first.
It is plural and that is the start of the argument.
You are correct I haven't went beyond that fact to show how the context shows one way or another. What you failed to mention is NO ONE HAS.
The hole point to just sharing it was plural was to instigate the one being talk to do so. That was a fail.

The context starts in chapter one.

There is a hope, an joyful expectation that has been laid up in Heaven for us. vs 1. Which we heard in the truth of the Gospel. This joyful expectation is present with us to walk worthy of the Lord. Bearing fruit in every good work. And Increasing in the recognition of God. Being endued~ in all power, in accord with the mightiness of His *glory, into all endurance and patience with joy. Giving thanks to the Father. The One who has made and continues to make us competent, partakers of the inheritance of the saints, in light. Rescuing us out of the power of darkness. Transferring us into the kingdom of His Son of His love. In Whom we have deliverance, the remission, removal of the sins through His blood that are past. And through him all things consist, are held together, including us. For in Him we live, move and have our being. For we are Reconciled in the body of His flesh through His death to present us holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight through His resurrection: IF WE CONTINUE in the faith grounded and settled and not moved away from the hope ( expectation) of the gospel. The expectation laid up in heaven for us. The mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope, expectation of glory, the MYSTERY to which Paul speaks. Which we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect, Holy, unblameable and unreprovable in and through Christ Jesus. Being rescued from the power of darkness being translated into the Kingdom, the Body of Christ, the Temple of God. Wherein we labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in us mightily.

That our hearts be comforted, knitted together in love. In full assurance of the understanding and the acknowledgment of the Mystery of God which is Christ in you the hope. joyful expectation of His glory. In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge so we are not beguiled by enticing words and that we remain steadfast in in the faith of Christ Jesus. In that we whom have received Christ, Christ in you, so walk ye in Him.

Rooted and built up in Him. Established in the faith. Rescued from the power of darkness. Translated into the Kingdom of His dear Son. Made competent to present us Holy, unblamable and unreprovable in His sight.

Therefore Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments, the first principles of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And we are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also we are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him being dead in our sins and the uncircumcision of our flesh, hath he quickened together with him, therefore we walk in newness of life. Wherein we labour, striving according to his working, which works in us mightily. Being endued with all power in accordance with the mightiness of His Glory in Christ Jesus.

Having been forgiven all trespasses; having made peace through the blood of his cross, reconciling all things unto himself the deliverance, the remission, removal of the sins through His blood. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, the certificate of indebtedness. What we owed because of our sin according to the hand writing of ordinances, the certificate of indebtedness that Moses penned due to our sin. For this is that which was against us. And is that which was contrary to us. This He took out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Spoiling THESE principalities, that which was first established and it's power nailing it to the cross. Making a show of them openly. Therefore, because of what was just said, let no man, judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath, these which are of those handwriting of ordinances. That which was written because of our sin and therefore done away with at the cross. For we have been forgiven of all our trespasses. For they were a shadow of things to come, but the body, the church (vs.1:18,24) is of Christ.
 

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No mention of the Sabbath at all.

So what?

The word "Sabbath" has to be used in order for the Bible to talk about it?

You're demonstrating the answer to my question. Your IQ is literally too low to grasp the concept of an indirect discussion of something.

As a matter of fact it is speaking on the traditions of man and their opinions, not God's Word.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

How do we know?
Because it says so in verse 1.

Except it doesn't.

And the differing opinions is shown to be opinions that are discerned outside of the Word of God by verse 2.

Not what it's talking about at all.

There it is mentioned that some are arguing over eating just vegetables. There is no thus saith the Lord in respect to that. It is just an opinion.

Rom 14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables.

You clearly don't understand that Paul is referring to the Jewish dietary laws indirectly here.

You won't understand this, but He's talking about a greater concept than just what someone chooses to eat, or which day someone upholds as sacred over another. He's talking about making a law for oneself, be it about food or special days, as the Jews have done. God isn't concerned with the Law. He wants to form a relationship with people.

The Jews are the people of the law, and they have become corrupt, and have rejected their Messiah.

Paul is talking about legalism. And how it prevents a relationship with God.

Go read the whole book of Romans. Maybe then you'll understand the context of Romans 14.

Yes you did insult me when you said I was blind.

A statement of fact is not an insult.

You are blind to the truth, because you refuse to see.

That's not meant to be insulting. It's meant as a jolt to wake you up to the fact that you cannot see!

Calling an idiot an idiot isn't an insult.

Calling one who is blind "blind" is the truth. If you find the truth insulting, that sounds like you have an issue with the truth. In other words, YOU are the problem.

You should humble yourself.

Would you like my phone number so you can yell and scream your . . . to try to get your point across? Or maybe my address?

Sharing personal information is not allowed on TOL. This isn't Facebook.

un-christ like comments

You must not know what Christ is like, then.

He called people fools and blind guides. He called them broods of vipers and whited sepulchres. He called them thieves and swine.

So no, my comments are VERY Christ-like.

Don't be nicer than God.
 

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You clearly don't understand that Paul is referring to the Jewish dietary laws indirectly here.
You clearly don’t understand the example given in verse 2 is not a dietary law but a manmade opinion though it is there in black and white. NOWHERE is it forbidden or stated in the Law that we are to only eat Vegies. Therefore the differing opinions mentioned are those of our own device not those from the word of God. This an objective statement. You have answer the point with subjective reasoning. By what you think and feel rather than what is written. A thus saith the Lord.
 
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