Poverty is a person....oh yes

[Totton Linnet]

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Poverty will kill you as sure as cancer will, Jesus said "all who came before Me were thieves and robbers....

the thief comes only for to steal and to kill and destroy you, but I am come that ye might have life and that ye might have it more abundantly"

When God created man He created him to have dominion over the creation, man could exercise only so long as he ruled in accordance with the wisdom by which everything was created.

When Satan tempted him it was with the view to usurping man's dominionship.

When Adam fell the kingdoms of this world were invaded with satanic power, Satan became the ruler, the prince of the power of the air and under him the host of wicked angels.

Devils, demons of sickness and poverty. Death literally became man's shepherd.

For THIS purpose was the Son of God made manifest that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Christ did this by bearing man's sin on the cross, He did it FOR us on our behalf....He literally became sin for us so that when He died our sin died with Him, now we can be raised to newness of life.

Christ also bore away the curse that had come upon mankind...sickness, poverty and death.

In order to receive the benefits of Christ's salvation we must place ourselves under His Lordship...swap our shepherd death for our Shepherd life.

It's not church, it's not religion, it's new Ownership

"The thief has come only for to steal, to kill and to destroy you. But I am come that you might have life and that you might have it more abundantly"

Come OUT from under the devil's lordship today, NOW, call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved

 

[patrick jane]

I have seen poverty firsthand. Spiritual poverty included.

 

[Totton Linnet]

...and I have slept under bushes

 

[OCTOBER23]

Poverty will NOT kill you .

I lived without any money alone in my van on handouts for six months and
I learned to depend on and be Closer to Our God.

Jesus gave up his Wealth to be dependent solely on HIS Father

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.


Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Yes God's promises become remarkably real and ALIVE when you haven't eaten in a while.....if of course you know what He has promised.

 

[intojoy]

All wrong. Again

 

[aikido7]

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Poverty will kill you as sure as cancer will, Jesus said "all who came before Me were thieves and robbers....

the thief comes only for to steal and to kill and destroy you, but I am come that ye might have life and that ye might have it more abundantly"

When God created man He created him to have dominion over the creation, man could exercise only so long as he ruled in accordance with the wisdom by which everything was created.

When Satan tempted him it was with the view to usurping man's dominionship.

When Adam fell the kingdoms of this world were invaded with satanic power, Satan became the ruler, the prince of the power of the air and under him the host of wicked angels.

Devils, demons of sickness and poverty. Death literally became man's shepherd.

For THIS purpose was the Son of God made manifest that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Christ did this by bearing man's sin on the cross, He did it FOR us on our behalf....He literally became sin for us so that when He died our sin died with Him, now we can be raised to newness of life.

Christ also bore away the curse that had come upon mankind...sickness, poverty and death.

In order to receive the benefits of Christ's salvation we must place ourselves under His Lordship...swap our shepherd death for our Shepherd life.

It's not church, it's not religion, it's new Ownership

"The thief has come only for to steal, to kill and to destroy you. But I am come that you might have life and that you might have it more abundantly"

Come OUT from under the devil's lordship today, NOW, call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved

Poverty--actually anyone's troubles--can be better understood by reducing it to the problems of one person.

For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in....

Jesus, in Matthew

I see it as a requirement.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Poverty will NOT kill you .

I lived without any money alone in my van on handouts for six months and
I learned to depend on and be Closer to Our God.

Jesus gave up his Wealth to be dependent solely on HIS Father

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.


Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

This is exactly what I said...you learned to depend on God, so could the people dragging in the dirt in the Sudan...faith cometh by hearing. But the good news is forbidden in Sudan..

WHO?

Who forbids the preaching of the gospel?, yes yes the local authorities, the religious leaders. backed up by the legislature and behind them all is the devil, actually an evil angel who is in control of and enforces poverty.

That is what I said poverty is a person.

Look at a map of the world, SEE where the poor spots are.

And I might say politely to you that for a child of God to be begging for bread is not scriptural.

To GIVE is scriptural, to beg is not...that's alright, I never aksed anybody for help in my troubles and my troubles came upon me more than once or twice...it takes discipline to BELIEVE God's word pure and simple. If God had not turned up I would have perished.

And tribulation is to be interpreted persecution.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Poverty--actually anyone's troubles--can be better understood by reducing it to the problems of one person.

For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in....

Jesus, in Matthew

I see it as a requirement.

Yes this is one of the ways God teaches us to overcome poverty, Christians grumble about Socialism and paying taxes but actually the principles come right out of the bible, and European socialism came out from the church largely.

But none of this answers the fundamental question of WHY poverty, WHERE does it come from, WHEN did it begin [it began the day Adam was chucked out of the Garden]

WHO? is in control of it?

Do you know why Africa is poor? can you explain why such a Nation with such natural resource and wealth can be poor?

Because the Europeans DECIDED among themselves to keep Africa poor. They divided the nation up into warring factions. DELIBERATELY they did this KNOWING it would cause utter deprivation, it was a deliberate political decision. They knew if they left Africa united then soon Africa would be the richest, most powerful nation in the world..

Behind colonialism and imperialism is GREED and power....the devil.

 

[intojoy]

God hath chosen the poor.

 

[aikido7]

Yes this is one of the ways God teaches us to overcome poverty, Christians grumble about Socialism and paying taxes but actually the principles come right out of the bible, and European socialism came out from the church largely.

Especially the "structural 'socialism' " built into the culture of the Jews. The great prophets talked about "justice running down like water" and the people got together and insured a profound safety net was put into place. And then Jesus pushed that envelope even further. It was no longer just "socialist rule" but was now socialist morality in every person under God.

But none of this answers the fundamental question of WHY poverty, WHERE does it come from, WHEN did it begin [it began the day Adam was chucked out of the Garden]

WHO? is in control of it?

We like simple answers to difficult problems. The causes of poverty are many and it depends on the historical and cultural situation as to which causes the most damage.

I would say that the causes are war, history (many poor countries are just emerging from colonial rule, etc.), big debts by the underdeveloped nations, discrimination and inequality, even natural disasters can affect economies today.

Do you know why Africa is poor? can you explain why such a Nation with such natural resource and wealth can be poor?

Africa was run by the French and the British for hundreds of years. And maybe a few other countries--I am not sure.

Because the Europeans DECIDED among themselves to keep Africa poor. They divided the nation up into warring factions. DELIBERATELY they did this KNOWING it would cause utter deprivation, it was a deliberate political decision. They knew if they left Africa united then soon Africa would be the richest, most powerful nation in the world..

Behind colonialism and imperialism is GREED and power....the devil.

I think these things have underlying good intentions behind them. It's just that the ways of carrying out those good intentions are handicapped by using not so good ways of expressing them.

Matthew 6:24

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

 

[Arthur Brain]

This is exactly what I said...you learned to depend on God, so could the people dragging in the dirt in the Sudan...faith cometh by hearing. But the good news is forbidden in Sudan..

WHO?

Who forbids the preaching of the gospel?, yes yes the local authorities, the religious leaders. backed up by the legislature and behind them all is the devil, actually an evil angel who is in control of and enforces poverty.

That is what I said poverty is a person.

Look at a map of the world, SEE where the poor spots are.

And I might say politely to you that for a child of God to be begging for bread is not scriptural.

To GIVE is scriptural, to beg is not...that's alright, I never aksed anybody for help in my troubles and my troubles came upon me more than once or twice...it takes discipline to BELIEVE God's word pure and simple. If God had not turned up I would have perished.

And tribulation is to be interpreted persecution.

Lazarus begged if you take the parable literally. Was he wrong to do so, starving and being covered in sores and all?

lain:

 

[Bradley D]

Living in the Philippines I am surrounded by poverty. My wife has many relatives many make it day by day. My parents grew up during the Great Depression in the USA. They often spoke of their struggles.

The poor will always be here in the present world. Not because God likes it, but because of the sin of man. A world where money is god.

"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land" (Deut. 15:11).

"The poor you will always have with you..." (Matthew 26:11)

 

[Totton Linnet]

God hath chosen the poor.

He lifteth the beggar out of the dung heap and maketh him a prince,


He who was rich became poor that we might be the riches of God.


"Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us, and I would to God that ye did reign that we might reign with you"

 

[Totton Linnet]

Especially the "structural 'socialism' " built into the culture of the Jews. The great prophets talked about "justice running down like water" and the people got together and insured a profound safety net was put into place. And then Jesus pushed that envelope even further. It was no longer just "socialist rule" but was now socialist morality in every person under God.

We like simple answers to difficult problems. The causes of poverty are many and it depends on the historical and cultural situation as to which causes the most damage.

I would say that the causes are war, history (many poor countries are just emerging from colonial rule, etc.), big debts by the underdeveloped nations, discrimination and inequality, even natural disasters can affect economies today.

Africa was run by the French and the British for hundreds of years. And maybe a few other countries--I am not sure.

Because the Europeans DECIDED among themselves to keep Africa poor. They divided the nation up into warring factions. DELIBERATELY they did this KNOWING it would cause utter deprivation, it was a deliberate political decision. They knew if they left Africa united then soon Africa would be the richest, most powerful nation in the world..

I think these things have underlying good intentions behind them. It's just that the ways of carrying out those good intentions are handicapped by using not so good ways of expressing them.

Matthew 6:24

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

No one can serve two masters...ye cannot serve both God and Mammon.

You tell me who the average Joe is serving as first importance....you poor, you gotta serve, the poorer you are the harder and longer you gotta serve.

No...poverty has a beginning and a root cause. Adam and Eve lived in a garden of great beauty and abundance...THAT is God's will for mankind.

When he sinned he was thrust out of the garden, the ground was cursed for his sake. THAT is where poverty began.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Lazarus begged if you take the parable literally. Was he wrong to do so, starving and being covered in sores and all?

lain:

Of course he wasn't...don't be daft....Dives was wrong in not meeting his needs out of his prosperity.

We in the west know VERY WELL the plight of the poor in other nations, we will be held to account as Dives was....but there are poor on our doorsteps.

The reason people do not give is because they do not believe God's promise

"Give and it shall be given you again...good measure"

 

[Totton Linnet]

Living in the Philippines I am surrounded by poverty. My wife has many relatives many make it day by day. My parents grew up during the Great Depression in the USA. They often spoke of their struggles.

The poor will always be here in the present world. Not because God likes it, but because of the sin of man. A world where money is god.

"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land" (Deut. 15:11).

"The poor you will always have with you..." (Matthew 26:11)

"The poor you will always have with you" does not mean "you will always be poor"

You agree with my OP the cause of poverty is sin, money is god....there is a flood of philosophy that flows from these facts...and behind it is a person...the devil.

Christians believe in the devil but somehow they don't believe he is active, they do not attribute the evil that they see so plainly all around them to him and to the fact that he is the ruler of this present darkness.

BUT

he has been defeated

They even attribute to God things that the devil does, sickness and poverty. Or else they are fatalistic in accepting these things as the way things are.

Should Bartimeus have accepted his blindness? Does God not have ANY solutions?

I say He does and His solution is the cross...Bartimeus was healed in view of the cross, the people were fed in view of it.

There is healing, deliverance and if people can accept it provision for every human need at the cross. Salvation for the whole man.

 

[chrysostom]

Poverty is a person....oh yes

oh no
only if words have no meaning for you
and
we already know you have your very own dictionary

 

[Totton Linnet]

Living in the Philippines I am surrounded by poverty. My wife has many relatives many make it day by day. My parents grew up during the Great Depression in the USA. They often spoke of their struggles.

The poor will always be here in the present world. Not because God likes it, but because of the sin of man. A world where money is god.

"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land" (Deut. 15:11).

"The poor you will always have with you..." (Matthew 26:11)

Hi Brad.

Yes all around is people...poverty

Once all around were sinners...was that God's will? is it God's will that there are still so many sinners all around? what is going to save them?

What saved the prodigal son? what was it that finally brought him to his senses? was it not his poverty? was it not his rememberance of his Father's great wealth and His great kindness even to servants?

You see now, if you ever stand up to preach to a crowd...they may all be sinners...you are preaching they can be made righteous...do YOU make them righteous? can YOU born them again?

How utterly impossible a thing preaching is, Paul calls it foolishness.

We do it in the hope and knowledge that God will back us up, what we declare in His name He will make good.

It is the same "hopeless, foolish" task to stand before people in rags and preach God's abundant provision.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Poverty is a person....oh yes

oh no
only if words have no meaning for you
and
we already know you have your very own dictionary

Well you are the one who has been saying he rides on a horse in the apocalypse