dude - that's so retarded :nono:
you gotta quit listening to retards like lou
Privilege of ‘Arrest Without Incident’
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dude - that's so retarded :nono:
you gotta quit listening to retards like lou
Christian Liberty
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Lew is way smarter than you are capable of being.
Nope. That is just you making things up.
Not to mention that your argument is one from consequence -- a logical fallacy.
Your op reveals a disconnect between high profile media stories and what cops do all the time, most end without incident and color lines arent an issue.
Most cases of things like this, you never heard word one about, because they dont push an agenda, hence are not considered news worthy.
Christian Liberty
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Can we at least agree that what happened to Garner was a criminal act that should have been punished? I'm not asking how common you think it is or how many cops you think are like that. I'm asking about your opinion on this specific case.
I think if he didn't resist arrest that would not have happened. I sure dont think it had anything to do with his color, but everything to do with his size and resisting arrest. I think it was a tragic accident.
Christian Liberty
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I tend to agree it wasn't really about race, though the NYPD's entire "stop and frisk" program is pretty much built on racial profiling, so while I definitely think the left race baits too much, I don't think it follows that the police don't ever do racist things.
The main issue to me isn't the racial issue though, its the control issue. When I see people being patted down for drugs or guns, my first reaction is to say those things should never be criminal in a free society. When I see somebody getting harassed for "illegally" selling cigarettes yet harming nobody, I am against the particular law and the legal positivist mindset that convinces people that its OK to enforce it, which is the first thing I think of, not the racial aspect.
Not agreeing with his arrest could have been handled later, resisting arrest is an idiot move no matter who does it.
Christian Liberty
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Maybe stupid but that doesn't justify putting him in a chokehold.
If someone tries to kidnap you, it may be wise to comply to avoid getting shot on the spot but kidnapping is still immoral.
Kidnapping and resisting arrest are not the same thing. The police were not trying to kidnap him. Whether or not you agree with a choke- hold being a legitimate way to detain one resisting arrest, is a separate issue from someone resisting arrest.
Unfortunately bad things can happen to people when they resist arrest.
Christian Liberty
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Garner violated nobody's rights. By even trying to make the arrest rather than telling the complaintants to buzz off, they were already violating Garner's rights. All police do this to innocent people, every day. Some cops think they are good guys while other cops know they are bad guys, but they are all bad.
I don't think resisting arrest is a practical course of action. But it is not "immoral" unless the police are acting in order to restrain violence against person or property. Since they weren't, it was they and not Garner who were the criminals. They killed a man while trying to kidnap him. Morally they deserve execution. But of course, our society is too evil to even consider such a thing. They weren't even indicted in court...
That is for the court to determine, we are a nation of laws whether you like or agree with them. This isnt the issue either.
Again, an issue to be determined by the court, not you or anyone else. Again not the issue to being arrested or resisting arrest.
Completely irrelevant to the issue.
Very good, now you are starting to get the point. Whether you think an arrest is legit, has no bearing on what a person should be doing when they are being arrested.
Your opinion which has no bearing on the law.
Christian Liberty
Well-known member
What if the law said being a Christian was punishable by death?
"law" isn't an excuse for immoral action.
Has no bearing on what one should do when and if being arrested.
Whether one has followed the law, is to be decided by the court. In the meantime, you should advise not resisting arrest.
stop looking like a retard and educate yourself
this is a chokehold:
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one arm in front of the throat, one arm behind the neck, cut off the air and wait until he passes out
that is not what was done to garner
garner was grabbed around the neck from behind and wrestled to the ground because he was resisting arrest
and you're still a retard :idunno:
journey
New member
You should already know the answer to this question, so why ask it? Internal Affairs, various State and Federal Agencies, and the Courts. There is more than adequate checks and balances.
journey
New member
Common Sense 101:
1 - You run the risk of being charged and or arrested if you violate the law. Your risk escalates if you continue to violate the law or make a habit out of it.
2 - It is very DUMB to resist arrest because you WILL be arrested anyway and simply face additional charges for resisting arrest.
3 - Go to court if you disagree with what you've been charged with or arrested for.
1 - You run the risk of being charged and or arrested if you violate the law. Your risk escalates if you continue to violate the law or make a habit out of it.
2 - It is very DUMB to resist arrest because you WILL be arrested anyway and simply face additional charges for resisting arrest.
3 - Go to court if you disagree with what you've been charged with or arrested for.
Morpheus
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One fact usually gets overlooked in discussions about Garner. Yes, he had a history of selling loose cigarettes; but no, he hadn't been selling them on the day in question. He had just broken up a fight and was innocently standing on the sidewalk. That tied to a history of being similarly harassed numerous times before while doing nothing, and a long history of NYPD harassing, and beating innocent Blacks under the guise of, "It's a high crime area", like that excuses police harassment and brutality. It's easy for a middle-class, average, white person to say, "Just comply and you will be OK.". Numerous videos have already shown that in low-income Black neighborhoods in NYC, compliance and innocence still often ends up in beatings. Common sense doesn't necessarily apply under uncommon conditions.
Morpheus
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http://thedailybanter.com/2014/12/eric-garner-killed-illegally-selling-loose-cigarettes/
First Google page. I'm sure that it would take you little time to find many more.
CNN mentioned the fact several times in their coverage at the time. Your sources are probably less interested in facts.