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JudgeRightly

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I don't enjoy how you never engage this OP.

The debate is over. The Protestant view on communion is dead.

Because you say so?

Like all the many passages that declare the altar bread and wine of the Church to be the body and blood of Christ!

And like all of the other many passages which make zero sense unless the Eucharist is the Real Presence of Christ!

Unless all those verses are meant to be figurative language... in which case, the non-RCC position makes more sense.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
I included a link. Did you look at it?
That's awesome.

The Protestant position on the Real Presence has been utterly denied, that the bread and the cup are only symbols.

This view has been logically dispatched, in the OP's linked thread.

The rhetoric however lives on, in the minds of Protestants (who hold the identical view on the matter to all nonbelievers, which is something that @Right Divider pointed out earlier in this thread).

Logically, if Jesus is real, then Orthodoxy or Catholicism are the only two options if we believe in Him.
 

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The Protestant position on the Real Presence has been utterly denied, that the bread and the cup are only symbols.

Because they are.

This view has been logically dispatched, in the OP's linked thread.

Because you say so?

The rhetoric however lives on, in the minds of Protestants (who hold the identical view on the matter to all nonbelievers, which is something that @Right Divider pointed out earlier in this thread).

Says the one posturing...

Logically, if Jesus is real, then Orthodoxy or Catholicism are the only two options if we believe in Him.

False dichotomy.

The alternative is that you're delusional and consumed with confirmation bias, and that at best, the foundations of your "orthodoxy/catholicism" are flawed, and thus the rest of it is based on that flawed foundation, and that our position is the one that is more correct.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
Probably not.
That's awesome. I was just thinking that your post is consistent with someone who didn't actually read the debate in the OP's linked thread. Because the whole "figurative language" lie was dispatched there.
 

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That's awesome. I was just thinking that your post is consistent with someone who didn't actually read the debate in the OP's linked thread. Because the whole "figurative language" lie was dispatched there.

Because you say so?
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
... our position is the one that is more correct.
Nope. Your view, which is the same view as all Protestants, and the same view of all atheists too, was crushed in the impromptu battle royale debate in the OP's linked thread.

(@SaulToPaul was there promoting your view. He had no answer to @brewmama, who 'cleaned up'. It began post 115 and was over post 217. It wasn't much of a contest either, sad to say.)

I mean sad for Protestants.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
If there are any users who don't want to read the OP's linked thread, from post 115-217 (just skip past all the filler posts made be @God's Truth lol), here's a write-up that addresses the matter in an essay format instead, but most people aren't persuaded by such writing.

Note that it's from the Catholic view rather than the Orthodox (the OP's linked thread's conquering hero @brewmama was Orthodox), but both Orthodoxy and Catholicism take Jesus at His word (and Paul!) in believing in His Real Presence in the Eucharist.

 

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So you're denying that I'm calling you out on a potential false dichotomy?

Your view, which is the same view as all Protestants,

Except that it's not.

Like Catholicism, Protestantism isn't a monolithic group.

and the same view of all atheists too,

Please don't lump brothers in Christ in with Atheists.

was crushed in the impromptu battle royale debate in the OP's linked thread.

Because you say so?

(@SaulToPaul was there promoting your view.

And which view would that be? hmm?

He had no answer to @brewmama, who 'cleaned up'. It began post 115 and was over post 217. It wasn't much of a contest either, sad to say.)

No answer to what, exactly?

Can you ask the same question that was asked of him here? Or are you too lazy to make the argument?

I mean sad for Protestants.

:yawn:
 

annabenedetti

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That's awesome.

The Protestant position on the Real Presence has been utterly denied, that the bread and the cup are only symbols.

This view has been logically dispatched, in the OP's linked thread.

The rhetoric however lives on, in the minds of Protestants (who hold the identical view on the matter to all nonbelievers, which is something that @Right Divider pointed out earlier in this thread).

Logically, if Jesus is real, then Orthodoxy or Catholicism are the only two options if we believe in Him.

EENS (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) quite simply means outside the Church there is no salvation. Specifically, the Catholic Church alone.

You either believe that, as a small percentage of Catholics do, based on past Catholic teaching (Pope Pius XII, for example: ""By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth.") - or you don't believe it.

Which is it?
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
EENS (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) quite simply means outside the Church there is no salvation. Specifically, the Catholic Church alone.

You either believe that, as a small percentage of Catholics do, based on past Catholic teaching (Pope Pius XII, for example: ""By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth.") - or you don't believe it.

Which is it?
I believe it as it is explained in the Catechism.

Which means, ironically, no.

Edit: Also, what does this have to do with the OP or thread?
 

annabenedetti

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I believe it as it is explained in the Catechism.

Which means, ironically, no.

Then why the aggressive approach to people you should consider part of the body of Christ?

Edit: Also, what does this have to do with the OP or thread?

As you may remember, I was responding to this:

That makes Catholicism and Orthodoxy the only two serious contenders for the real Church in the Bible.
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
Then why the aggressive approach to people you should consider part of the body of Christ?
Do you believe in the Real Presence of Him in the Eucharist?
As you may remember, I was responding to this:
Still isn't relevant. There's precisely one valid way to be a Christian /Church pastor, and it's to be made one /appointed by an already valid pastor, the most recent link in an ancient chain that reaches back through time all the way to the hands of an Apostle.

Orthodoxy and Catholicism are the only options.

(There are as I'm sure you're aware a few tiny traditions that could sustain a claim to trace their pastoral lineage back to the Apostles but the Orthodox and Catholic churches are the big ones.)
 

Idolater

"Never believe anyone who is not cross-examined."
It really isn't.
He said she said.
Regardless of its claims, the RCC is not the church Christ founded. It was corrupted long ago.
Good thing that's not the claim in the OP then. It's that the Protestant view of the communion bread and cup was logically positively proven to be false. That leaves only the Orthodox and the yes Catholic view still standing, which means you have two options if you want to be "a New Testament Christian".

I recommend Catholicism, for reasons. But neither is the wrong choice.
 
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