ECT Social Justice and the Gospel Statement Released

[Ask Mr. Religion]

A Statement on Social Justice and The Gospel has been released and signed by many prominent evangelicals here:

https://statementonsocialjustice.com/

The statement can be read online at the site. Click the Read the Statement link at the top of the page or scroll down about 1/4 of the page to the area showing a collection of sixteen circles and click the back and forward arrows.

The statement can also be downloaded here:
https://statementonsocialjustice.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SSJG-FINAL.pdf

See also MacArthur's article at the site:
https://statementonsocialjustice.com/articles/no-division-in-the-body/

A backdrop to the Statement:https://founders.org/2018/09/04/the-statement-on-social-justice-and-the-gospel/
Would you sign it? I did.

James White's Assessments:

Here is Steve Hays' view on why he will not sign it:
https://triablogue.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-im-not-signing-statement-on-social.html


Would you sign the statement? I did.

AMR

 

[Jerry Shugart]

A Statement on Social Justice and The Gospel has been released and signed by many prominent evangelicals here:

Just curious but does the subject of "Social Justice and The Gospel" have anything to do with the idea that the kingdom is already on the earth in some form or another?

Thanks!

 

[Nathon Detroit]

This is an interesting topic. The text seemed pretty solid to me on first read (I didn't study it).

AMR are there parts of the statements that you thought were in error or weak in any way?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

A Statement on Social Justice and The Gospel has been released and signed by many prominent evangelicals here:

In the statement we read that all people are created in the image of God:

We Affirm that God created every person equally in his own image.​

But then we read that everyone is born under the curse of God's law:

We affirm that all people are connected to Adam both naturally and federally. Therefore, because of original sin everyone is born under the curse of God’s law and all break his commandments through sin.​

So we must believe that even though every single person is created in God's image they enter the world "under the curse of God's law."

Why would those born in the image of God enter the world under the curse of God's law?

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

I don't have any major concerns with the Statement. I am sure one can read much into the material and find some points of dissent here and there. Some, especially in my conservative Presbyterian camp, will whine about MacArthur's involvement, given his anti-paedobaptistic views and "leaky dispensationalism". But these are not the issues at hand.

I am happy to see a statement like this as I am weary of the More-Woke-Than-Thou crowd in the blogosphere. I am hoping the Statement will do with the topic as did the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy did years ago.

I was particularly pleased to see a firm stance on complementarianism in the document, too. No doubt it will catch the ire of the egalitarians who continue to demonstrate they actually do not understand the topic theologically.

AMR

 

[genuineoriginal]

This is an interesting topic. The text seemed pretty solid to me on first read (I didn't study it).

AMR are there parts of the statements that you thought were in error or weak in any way?

Here is the first page of many.

WE AFFIRM that the Bible is God’s Word, breathed out by him. It is inerrant, infallible, and the final authority for determining what is true (what we must believe) and what is right (how we must live). All truth claims and ethical standards must be tested by God’s final Word, which is Scripture alone. WE DENY that Christian belief, character, or conduct can be dictated by any other authority, and we deny that the postmodern ideologies derived from intersectionality, radical feminism, and critical race theory are consistent with biblical teaching. We further deny that competency to teach on any biblical issue comes from any qualification for spiritual people other than clear understanding and simple communication of what is revealed in Scripture.

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I higlighted the parts I find unsupportable in GREEN and the parts that I think are too ambiguous to defend in YELLOW.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Would you sign the statement?

I have finished a quick reading of the entire statement.

No, I would not sign the statement.

I can't agree with all of the doctrinal statements in it and I don't think it addresses the social justice issues very well.

 

[ok doser]

"Critical race theory"??? :freak:

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

And now comes the counter claims, thereby establish why the original statement is needed:

https://www.statementongodsjustice.com/

From the About link at the site:

"It is an LGBT-affirming, feminist, justice-oriented, anti-racist, anti-classist, anti-ableist space that holds a wide range of theologies"

AMR

 

[Rosenritter]

"Critical race theory"??? :freak:

According to the UCLA School of Public Affairs:

CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society. The individual racist need not exist to note that institutional racism is pervasive in the dominant culture. This is the analytical lens that CRT uses in examining existing power structures. CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white privilege and white supremacy, which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color.

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Legal scholar Roy L. Brooks has defined CRT as "a collection of critical stances against the existing legal order from a race-based point of view", and says

it focuses on the various ways in which the received tradition in law adversely affects people of color not as individuals but as a group. Thus, CRT attempts to analyze law and legal traditions through the history, contemporary experiences, and racial sensibilities of racial minorities in this country. The question always lurking in the background of CRT is this: What would the legal landscape look like today if people of color were the decision-makers?


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

 

[ok doser]

What would the legal landscape look like today if people of color were the decision-makers?

what - people like obama?

 

[Rosenritter]

what - people like obama?

I was just looking up what the term meant.

 

[ok doser]

I was just looking up what the term meant.

oh, i know

i had to look it up too - never ran across it

hadn't realized how busy the radical left had been lately - got a sense of it this spring when I discovered Jordan Peterson's youtube videos

 

[genuineoriginal]

And now comes the counter claims, thereby establish why the original statement is needed:

https://www.statementongodsjustice.com/

From the About link at the site:

"It is an LGBT-affirming, feminist, justice-oriented, anti-racist, anti-classist, anti-ableist space that holds a wide range of theologies"

AMR

This is what the SJW version claims.
https://www.statementongodsjustice.com/
From the link:

WE AFFIRM that biblical inerrancy is theologically untenable and becomes a moral evil when it allows Scripture to be weaponized against women, people of color, LGBTQIA+ individuals, and people of other faiths.

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They think Biblical inerrancy is a moral evil.

Isaiah 5:20 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!​

 

[Jerry Shugart]

A Statement on Social Justice and The Gospel has been released and signed by many prominent evangelicals here:

In the statement we read that all people are created in the image of God:

We Affirm that God created every person equally in his own image.​

But then we read that everyone is born under the curse of God's law:

We affirm that all people are connected to Adam both naturally and federally. Therefore, because of original sin everyone is born under the curse of God’s law and all break his commandments through sin.​

So we must believe that even though every single person is created in God's image they enter the world "under the curse of God's law."

Why would those created in the image of God enter the world under the curse of God's law?

 

[Shubee]

Would you sign the statement?

I would not sign the statement because I believe it obscures the true meaning of social justice and because I'm not aware of any the signatories listed as actually being on the side of true social justice.

Isaiah 58:6-7
Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
To loose the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the heavy burdens,
To let the oppressed go free,
And that you break every yoke?
Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
When you see the naked, that you cover him,
And not hide yourself from your own flesh? NKJV

 

[Shubee]

I would not sign the statement because I believe it obscures the true meaning of social justice and because I'm not aware of any the signatories listed as actually being on the side of true social justice.

Isaiah 58:6-7
Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
To loose the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the heavy burdens,
To let the oppressed go free,
And that you break every yoke?
Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
When you see the naked, that you cover him,
And not hide yourself from your own flesh? NKJV

As an illustration, please consider what John MacArthur highlights as his fundamental beliefs. I see them as position centered, mostly on self, without honorably exalting Jesus Christ as our Example.
https://www.gty.org/about#doctrines
Permitting the world to define social justice is disrespecting Scripture. Opposition to true social justice is inexcusable. I believe strongly in social justice and don't like to see that obscured. Consequently, I joyfully confess The Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Millerites, Circa 2018.

 

[Idolater]

They think Biblical inerrancy is a moral evil.

:vomit:

 

[andyc]

Why would those created in the image of God enter the world under the curse of God's law?

They don't. Only those under the law are under the curse.
All people are born under the curse of Adam's sin.

 

[Shubee]

Of all the signatories listed, is there any evidence that even one of them is on record exposing the outrageous heresy and idolatry of John Hagee and the evils of anti-Christian Zionism?