Krsto
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Only the ones trying to kill off the Muslim community. Self defense, IOW, the same thing our US Constitution gives us "permission" to do.
Something for our muslim haters
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Only the ones trying to kill off the Muslim community. Self defense, IOW, the same thing our US Constitution gives us "permission" to do.
Then broaden it.
Let's hear what you think you DESERVE for your bad behavior.
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I remember that discussion. :nono:
Luke 18 KJV
(11) The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
(12) I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
(13) And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
(14) I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Krsto
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Did you flunk Logic? 5:2 doesn't say faith is the ONLY means to access grace, or that grace necessarily needs to be "accessed" and can't simply be granted for no reason at all (or some reason you never thought of), or that that grace is for the purpose of "getting into heaven".
glorydaz
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I'm sure we all know our legal system comes short. How many times have we seen child molesters get off with a year or even less? Men who have raped children are set free by some liberal judge.
But what never comes short are God's laws. One of those is that there are consequences to bad behavior right here in this world. If you pick a fight with a bully, you could get beat up, and you'll deserve it. If you don't turn in your homework, you could get a bad grade, and you'll deserve it. If you back talk your parents, you could get spanked, and you'll deserve it. If you practice immoral behavior, you could get a disease or beat up or killed or raped. What are you going to say, "I did NOTHING to deserve that disease, etc.?
Me too.
It was pathetic to watch him use the legal system over God to justify himself.
But now he wants to go beyond not only God, but our legal system as well; and make up his own sick perversion of rape for rape = a better justice system that neither God or our legal system condones.
Only sick minds condone rape for rape.
According to you, that's what should have happened or else God would not have allowed it.
Again, God must have meant for it to happen that way or he wouldn't allow it (according to you).
Very Calvinistic.
glorydaz
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You're the one who brought up forgiveness and that forgiveness can only be accessed by faith. Saved by grace through faith.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Is your "LOGIC" telling you that unbelievers have access to that Grace by some other means? Works, perhaps? :chew:
glorydaz
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I have to chuckle that you claim I said as many disgusting things as you guys. :chuckle:
It doesn't matter that you think God would never determine that rape is a just punishment for a pedophile's crime or not, because you are in no position to dictate to God on this or anything else. God can and does whatever He likes and He also allows whatever He wants to allow.
glorydaz
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God did allow it. Shall we guess at why He might have done so? Perhaps he wanted good people to speak up and demand the Judge be replaced (which has happened). And I trust God made sure the pedophile suffered for his actions in some other way.
Yes, and shall we speculate on why that might be? Perhaps God wanted the perp to learn a very valuable lesson that could not be learned as well any other way. That's the purpose behind our reaping what we sow after all. And it's a nice try (throwing in the Calvinist dig) but it fails. Calvinist's don't have exclusive rights to understanding that God does allow things to come about for a purpose. It's actually nothing new to Christianity.
glorydaz
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That guy was trying to fool God. We are talking common sense right here in this life. Are you telling me you don't think you're better than a man who rapes children? You don't think you're a better person than those men who raped you? If you say yes, then I'm not about to believe you. You even said no good and honest men would rape any woman. :chew:
I'm not dictating to God.
He has dictated to us, and there is not one place in scripture that God told his judges to condone rape for rape as justice for the crime of rape.
So why do you?
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It would be an assumption that the Pharisees ever thought they could fool the Almighty God.
That's just it; your common sense goes against what God has said.
God never told His judges that rape for rape was a just punishment.
That is something you and Doser have made up in your own minds.
God doesn't think so.
Why should I?
According to God, if you break any portion of the law, you are guilty of the whole law.
I know darn good and well that I have broken a portion of God's law, which makes me just as guilty as every other sinner in the world, for none could keep the whole law.
If it were possible for anyone to be "good enough" to keep the whole law, then a sacrifice was never needed.
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glorydaz
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There are places in Scripture where God allowed rape for His own purposes...as a punishment. And I'm not condoning anything, Tam. I am merely recognizing that bad behavior has consequences, and rape isn't excluded as a consequence for bad behavior.
Why are you condoning pedophilia and stripping? What makes you think they won't incur the consequences of God's natural law of sowing and reaping?
glorydaz
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Indeed it would.
And it would also be an assumption to think that God would NEVER allow a woman to be raped after stripping naked and enticing men to lust after her.
Nonsense. It happens. I didn't have to make it up.
God says those who sow to the flesh reap corruption. What God allows to come upon us has nothing to do with what He directs Himself or directed His judges to do.
Just look at what God allowed Job to suffer. He didn't direct that Job should lose his wife and children and suffer boils, but He allowed it nonetheless.
You keep confusing God's moral law with His natural Law. That we reap what we sow in this life has nothing to do with a sacrifice being required.
A sacrifice for my sins is separate and apart from my going to jail for stealing. A sacrifice for my sins is separate and apart from my getting a DUI for drunk driving. And it's separate and apart from any consequences I have to suffer in this life for my bad behavior.
1PeaceMaker
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But attributing a person's rape to their bad behavior is making them an accessory to a death penalty offense. They can't deserve rape without deserving the death penalty for it, too.