glorydaz
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What about the two witnesses' resurrection?
The Book of Revelation: Mystery Or Profitable?
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glorydaz
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Great question, and exactly the one I've been pondering since you were talking about what gospel Peter preached.
I'll just give my 2 cents worth, because I know you care. Call it a guess.
I think there was salvation by faith plus works for all time periods before and after the "church age". I hate to use that term because it may be unacceptable, but I'll use it until I hear something better.
Also, I think all those saved by faith plus works will have to wait until the 2nd Advent of Christ..... as their sins are put in "remission" until then.
Might be dumb, but when cancer is in remission, it is not yet totally wiped out (forgiven).
And how about the resurrection of Christ?
And what about the resurrection of the ones that came out of their graves when Christ died?
And what about the resurrection of Lazarus?
And the resurrection of Jairus’ daughter?
And the widow's son --1 Kings 17:22
etc.
etc.
etc.
So how come the resurrection that happens after all of the above is labeled the FIRST ?
I have my suspicion that "first" is used in the same manner as when David, Israel, and Eprhaim are called the "firstborn" (even though they were not 1st numerically).
In other words, it's talking about being preeminent, a very special case.
Well, perhaps, but I have my doubts.
It is Paul that teaches ......
Galatians 2:21 ESV
(21) I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
And so does the author of Hebrews .....
Hebrews 7:11 ESV
(11) Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron?
glorydaz
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Yeah, it's very interesting. In every scenario, the believers are raised first....but every man in his own order. That phrase keeps coming back to me for some reason.
1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Luke 14:14
And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.
glorydaz
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Righteousness didn't come from the law, but God still required works before the fullness of God's Grace came in via the Cross.
That puts me in mind of the blood over the doorposts. Could be it's late at night.
Right Divider
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What type of eternal salvation?
List how many types of eternal salvation there are.
Thanks.
Right Divider
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At least two. I'd have to do an extensive study to be sure of exactly how many there are.
Eternal life is just one of them.
Anytime one says that works are required for eternal salvation is to say that they merited it by their works and God owes them.Righteousness didn't come from the law, but God still required works before the fullness of God's Grace came in via the Cross.
That puts me in mind of the blood over the doorposts. Could be it's late at night.
OK, please name the other of the two you know of for the type of eternal salvation.
And that eternal life salvation is the one I would like a list of the gospels for mankind.
Arial
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Yes. And there are different interpretations of that connected with the different millennial views, and since I am focusing at this time on the amillennialist view, I will come from the vantage point of what I have learned/am learning, about that view.
The first resurrection implies a second resurrection. The second death implies a first death. So they are probably related. The first death is bodily death (1 Cor 15:2; Heb 9:27). The second death is the abode of the wicked---confinement to hell ( Rev 20:14-15). The first in other words, is temporary, the second permanent.
The second death is spiritual and accompanies resurrection (John 5:28-29).
The first resurrection would be preliminary and ultimate. The first spiritual. The second is of the body. In which case the first resurrection may coincide with the spiritual new birth or, and probably more likely, going to be with Christ at the time of the bodily death. The second death has no power over those who are in Christ, for He conquered death for us in His resurrection from bodily death.
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Those involved in the first resurrection are physically resurrected (that's what resurrection means).
Arial
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How one sees that depends entirely upon their interpretation and their interpretation depends entirely on what premise or bias they begin with. I offered a different view and interpretation than yours.
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Like Clete said... Your "interpretation" is based on nothing but your own imagination.
Resurrection in the Bible is always a physical restoration of a human person... no exceptions.
In my post #263 I gave a perspective on the use of FIRST resurrection.
glorydaz
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How could God owe them if that's what God required of them?
glorydaz
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I think this one is referring to the end day judgment where people will be judged according to their "deeds".
Romans 2:5-7
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Matt. 25:31-32 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Arial
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I never looked at it exactly that way.
So even in the scenario I put forth, that the first resurrection is most likely referring to what happens to a believer at bodily death----they go to be with Christ. (Keeping in mind that this is the amillennial view and so it is arrived at through that interpretation of the 1000 years,) it would absolutely be preeminent. Expanding on that word a bit: surpassing all others, very distinguished in some way, the greatest. The first resurrection would certainly be that. It has never happened before, and never will, that unredeemed people go to be with Christ at bodily death. But the redeemed do.
What amillennialism says about it, at least is consistent with the way they interpret the rest of that passage (Rev 20:4-6). "They came to life" resurrected to spiritual life. "And reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priest of God and of Christ and they will reign with Him for a thousand years." The thousand years being a period of time determined by God from Christ's resurrection to His second coming. The dead in Christ are living now in some disembodied state, with Christ and reigning with Him. At the second resurrection their bodies are resurrected.
What say you and from what millennial view?