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feneluscliff

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The Fall of Lucifer

Please read Ezekiel 28;13-17 & Isaiah 14;12-14 KJV. Before beginning this study.


Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God’s dear Son.*His countenance, like those of the other angels, was mild and expressive of happiness.*His forehead was high and broad, showing a powerful intellect.*His form was perfect; his bearing noble and majestic.A special light beamed in his countenance and shone around him brighter and more beautiful than around the other angels; yet Christ, God’s dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host.*He was one with the Father before the angels were created.*Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone.*SR 13.1

The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that He might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon His Son.*The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them.*The Father then made known that it was ordained by Himself that Christ, His Son, should be equal with Himself; so that wherever was the presence of His Son, it was as His own presence.*The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father.*His Son He had invested with authority to command the heavenly host.*Especially was His Son to work in union with Himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth.*His Son would carry out His will and His purposes but would do nothing of Himself alone.*The Father’s will would be fulfilled in Him.*SR 13.2

Lucifer was envious and jealous of Jesus Christ.*Yet when all the angels bowed to Jesus to acknowledge His supremacy and high authority and rightful rule, he bowed with them; but his heart was filled with envy and hatred.*Christ had been taken into the special counsel of God in regard to His plans, while Lucifer was unacquainted with them.*He did not understand, neither was he permitted to know, the purposes of God.*But Christ was acknowledged sovereign of heaven, His power and authority to be the same as that of God Himself.*Lucifer thought that he was himself a favorite in heaven among the angels.*He had been highly exalted, but this did not call forth from him gratitude and praise to his Creator.*He aspired to the height of God Himself.*He gloried in his loftiness.He knew that he was honored by the angels.*He had a special mission to execute.*He had been near the great Creator, and the ceaseless beams of glorious light enshrouding the eternal God had shone especially upon him.*He thought how angels had obeyed his command with pleasurable alacrity.Were not his garments light and beautiful?*Why should Christ thus be honored before himself?*SR 14.1

He left the immediate presence of the Father, dissatisfied and filled with envy against Jesus Christ.*Concealing his real purposes, he assembled the angelic host.*He introduced his subject, which was himself.*As one aggrieved, he related the preference God had given Jesus to the neglect of himself.*He told them that henceforth all the sweet liberty the angels had enjoyed was at an end.*For had not a ruler been appointed over them, to whom they from henceforth must yield servile honor?*He stated to them that he had called them together to assure them that he no longer would submit to this invasion of his rights and theirs; that never would he again bow down to Christ; that he would take the honor upon himself which should have been conferred upon him, and would be the commander of all who would submit to follow him and obey his voice.*SR 14.2

There was contention among the angels.*Lucifer and his sympathizers were striving to reform the government of God.*They were discontented and unhappy because they could not look into His unsearchable wisdom and ascertain His purposes in exalting His Son, and endowing Him with such unlimited power and command.*They rebelled against the authority of the Son.*SR 15.1

Angels that were loyal and true sought to reconcile this mighty, rebellious angel to the will of his Creator.*They justified the act of God in conferring honor upon Christ, and with forcible reasoning sought to convince Lucifer that no less honor was his now than before the Father had proclaimed the honor which He had conferred upon His Son.*They clearly set forth that Christ was the Son of God, existing with Him before the angels were created; and that He had ever stood at the right hand of God, and His mild, loving authority had not heretofore been questioned; and that He had given no commands but what it was joy for the heavenly host to execute.*They urged that Christ’s receiving special honor from the Father, in the presence of the angels, did not detract from the honor that Lucifer had heretofore received.The angels wept.*They anxiously sought to move him to renounce his wicked design and yield submission to their Creator; for all had heretofore been peace and harmony, and what could occasion this dissenting, rebellious voice?*SR 15.2


Discussion Question:

1) With whom did Satan really have a problem with? Jesus Christ or the Father?

2) "Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone.Lucifer was envious and jealous of Jesus Christ.*Yet when all the angels bowed to Jesus to acknowledge His supremacy and high authority and rightful rule, he bowed with them; but his heart was filled with envy and hatred." What are the two laws out of the ten,did he break*according to the scriptures that lead to his fall?*


3) How does the fall of Lucifer should change view attitude towards God's Law?


When answering the question place the number to which you are answering. Please use scriptures to support your answer. Thank you.
 

elohiym

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The Fall of Lucifer

Lucifer is not a person's name, and not a name of the devil.

Please read Ezekiel 28;13-17 & Isaiah 14;12-14 KJV. Before beginning this study.

Those scriptures are about the kings of Tyre and Babylon, not about the devil.

Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God’s dear Son...

That is a fable made up by men.

The Lord Jesus Christ said the devil was a murderer from the beginning (Jn 8:44). Do you believe that?
 

jamie

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1) With whom did Satan really have a problem with? Jesus Christ or the Father?

Lucifer wanted to be the light bringer for mankind and even now presents himself as a messenger of light. However, Christ created Lucifer and had seniority over all the angelic sons of God. Christ chose to be born of woman as the Son of Man and Lucifer became an adversary to us all.
 

elohiym

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Genesis 3:14 The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, Cursed are you more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you will go, And dust you will eat All the days of your life;"

Are you claiming the devil fell before that time?
 

PneumaPsucheSoma

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The Fall of Lucifer

Please read Ezekiel 28;13-17 & Isaiah 14;12-14 KJV. Before beginning this study.


Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God’s dear Son.*His countenance, like those of the other angels, was mild and expressive of happiness.*His forehead was high and broad, showing a powerful intellect.*His form was perfect; his bearing noble and majestic.A special light beamed in his countenance and shone around him brighter and more beautiful than around the other angels; yet Christ, God’s dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host.*He was one with the Father before the angels were created.*Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone.*SR 13.1

The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that He might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon His Son.*The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them.*The Father then made known that it was ordained by Himself that Christ, His Son, should be equal with Himself; so that wherever was the presence of His Son, it was as His own presence.*The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father.*His Son He had invested with authority to command the heavenly host.*Especially was His Son to work in union with Himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth.*His Son would carry out His will and His purposes but would do nothing of Himself alone.*The Father’s will would be fulfilled in Him.*SR 13.2

Lucifer was envious and jealous of Jesus Christ.*Yet when all the angels bowed to Jesus to acknowledge His supremacy and high authority and rightful rule, he bowed with them; but his heart was filled with envy and hatred.*Christ had been taken into the special counsel of God in regard to His plans, while Lucifer was unacquainted with them.*He did not understand, neither was he permitted to know, the purposes of God.*But Christ was acknowledged sovereign of heaven, His power and authority to be the same as that of God Himself.*Lucifer thought that he was himself a favorite in heaven among the angels.*He had been highly exalted, but this did not call forth from him gratitude and praise to his Creator.*He aspired to the height of God Himself.*He gloried in his loftiness.He knew that he was honored by the angels.*He had a special mission to execute.*He had been near the great Creator, and the ceaseless beams of glorious light enshrouding the eternal God had shone especially upon him.*He thought how angels had obeyed his command with pleasurable alacrity.Were not his garments light and beautiful?*Why should Christ thus be honored before himself?*SR 14.1

He left the immediate presence of the Father, dissatisfied and filled with envy against Jesus Christ.*Concealing his real purposes, he assembled the angelic host.*He introduced his subject, which was himself.*As one aggrieved, he related the preference God had given Jesus to the neglect of himself.*He told them that henceforth all the sweet liberty the angels had enjoyed was at an end.*For had not a ruler been appointed over them, to whom they from henceforth must yield servile honor?*He stated to them that he had called them together to assure them that he no longer would submit to this invasion of his rights and theirs; that never would he again bow down to Christ; that he would take the honor upon himself which should have been conferred upon him, and would be the commander of all who would submit to follow him and obey his voice.*SR 14.2

There was contention among the angels.*Lucifer and his sympathizers were striving to reform the government of God.*They were discontented and unhappy because they could not look into His unsearchable wisdom and ascertain His purposes in exalting His Son, and endowing Him with such unlimited power and command.*They rebelled against the authority of the Son.*SR 15.1

Angels that were loyal and true sought to reconcile this mighty, rebellious angel to the will of his Creator.*They justified the act of God in conferring honor upon Christ, and with forcible reasoning sought to convince Lucifer that no less honor was his now than before the Father had proclaimed the honor which He had conferred upon His Son.*They clearly set forth that Christ was the Son of God, existing with Him before the angels were created; and that He had ever stood at the right hand of God, and His mild, loving authority had not heretofore been questioned; and that He had given no commands but what it was joy for the heavenly host to execute.*They urged that Christ’s receiving special honor from the Father, in the presence of the angels, did not detract from the honor that Lucifer had heretofore received.The angels wept.*They anxiously sought to move him to renounce his wicked design and yield submission to their Creator; for all had heretofore been peace and harmony, and what could occasion this dissenting, rebellious voice?*SR 15.2


Discussion Question:

1) With whom did Satan really have a problem with? Jesus Christ or the Father?

2) "Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone.Lucifer was envious and jealous of Jesus Christ.*Yet when all the angels bowed to Jesus to acknowledge His supremacy and high authority and rightful rule, he bowed with them; but his heart was filled with envy and hatred." What are the two laws out of the ten,did he break*according to the scriptures that lead to his fall?*


3) How does the fall of Lucifer should change view attitude towards God's Law?


When answering the question place the number to which you are answering. Please use scriptures to support your answer. Thank you.

What is the source? And since it's not scripture, why do you insist on scripture as a response to non-scripture?

Baffling...
 

feneluscliff

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Lucifer wanted to be the light bringer for mankind and even now presents himself as a messenger of light. However, Christ created Lucifer and had seniority over all the angelic sons of God. Christ chose to be born of woman as the Son of Man and Lucifer became an adversary to us all.
Answer the question base on the written material above please.
 

feneluscliff

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Genesis 3:14 The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, Cursed are you more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you will go, And dust you will eat All the days of your life;"

Are you claiming the devil fell before that time?
Stay tuned[emoji6]
 

Lazy afternoon

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Lucifer refers to the King of Babylon representing the glory of man and his fall.

The idea that lucifer refers to an angel which sinned against God in Heaven and fell to the earth, came from the fairies.

The idea of Jesus being in Heaven and came to earth to be born as a little baby, came from the fairies too.

LA
 

JosephR

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they get this from esoteric sources.... Lucifer held the worship services in Heaven, and had so many wings He was called the Peacock Angel..

Lucifer had a problem with Man and Gods plan for man... He said, I will not be subservient to them, for they are made of dirt and we are made of light.
 

Lazy afternoon

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Lucifer refers to the King of Babylon representing the glory of man and his fall.

The idea that lucifer refers to an angel which sinned against God in Heaven and fell to the earth, came from the fairies.

The idea of Jesus being in Heaven and came to earth to be born as a little baby, came from the fairies too.

LA

Refer to this after reading post. 16.

LA
 

JosephR

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Isaiah 14:12-15 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

He did not fall, He was cast... but from the perspective from the earth it matters not,look up what cherub means,, but these are just faerie tales to you..
 

Lazy afternoon

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Isaiah 14:12-15 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Note that this Lucifer the king of Babylon desires to ascend before being cast down.

The end of mans lifting himself up and the destroying of the righteous by him is shown in the book of Revelation.---


Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


etc.

LA
 
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