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Shake your head all you want, but the facts stand for themselves.
Nice try at sneaking in some EGW blatherskite, though. :AMR:

Is this your website wherein EGW's words are used your opening post:

http://www.preparingforeternity.com/sr/sr01.htm

If you are an SDA, why not just come out and say so?

AMR
 

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Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Note that this Lucifer the king of Babylon desires to ascend before being cast down.

The end of mans lifting himself up and the destroying of the righteous by him is shown in the book of Revelation.---


Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


etc.

LA
you said--- "Note that this Lucifer the king of Babylon desires to ascend before being cast down."
I dont read the Bible like you do.... that is our problem.. When the Bible speaks of spiritual things you make them become physical ..and I dont see it that way.
you said ---"The end of mans lifting himself up and the destroying of the righteous by him is shown in the book of Revelation.---"
I certainly do not point to revelations for all of my information of Angels and the term Lucifer or Satan. It is a prophesy ,and should be treated as such.

When you say the King of tyre and persia spoken of in Daniel,are men , I disagree..
 

JosephR

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Shake your head all you want, but the facts stand for themselves.
Nice try at sneaking in some EGW blatherskite, though. :AMR:

Is this your website wherein EGW's words are used your opening post:

http://www.preparingforeternity.com/sr/sr01.htm

If you are an SDA, why not just come out and say so?

AMR

i sent u a rep with the address to the source of the information, see what you can make out it.

i see you already saw ,sorry... edit--

the Bible is pretty plain about false prophets...
 

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She got hit in the head by a bully in her childhood and went into coma for months. Later, she had visions and wrote lies down and stole other writings, word for word and copyrighted them as her own. They had a jew to translate the stolen Catholic bible and that jew told them to worship Saturday and tell all Sunday worshippere that they have the seal of Satan on their foreheads and WILL goe to HELL. Behind your back they preach that those first day worshippers are following the popes and will join satan in the bottomless pit to burn forever and ever.
 

Lazy afternoon

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you said--- "Note that this Lucifer the king of Babylon desires to ascend before being cast down."
I dont read the Bible like you do.... that is our problem.. When the Bible speaks of spiritual things you make them become physical ..and I dont see it that way.
you said ---"The end of mans lifting himself up and the destroying of the righteous by him is shown in the book of Revelation.---"
I certainly do not point to revelations for all of my information of Angels and the term Lucifer or Satan. It is a prophesy ,and should be treated as such.

When you say the King of tyre and persia spoken of in Daniel,are men , I disagree..


Yes the chapters are referring to the spirit of these men but the text is still speaking of men--

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.

LA
 

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The same nonsense was circulating in the Stone Campbellite Churches too. It's not unique to SDA.
 

Sherman

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Yeah Ew. The Stone Campbellite movement is one of the most toxic forms of Christianity. Once saved never saved and you have to do 4 things to be saved, then there's no guarantee.
 

Lazy afternoon

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Cult, actually. From the century of the cults.

SDA is not the Christian faith.

Some maybe or maybe not.

All that I have had to do with have been very sincere and honest.

I went once to their Saturday service and it was the adult bible study which was the best, and I went because I attended their study on the book of Daniel.

I was given the award for asking the most questions.

The pastor told me he did not agree with everything they teach either, but you know how it is.

and another thing--

None of them treated me with anything but respect since when I had met them in the street.

Not like some.

LA
 

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Some maybe or maybe not.

All that I have had to do with have been very sincere and honest.

I went once to their Saturday service and it was the adult bible study which was the best, and I went because I attended their study on the book of Daniel.

I was given the award for asking the most questions.

The pastor told me he did not agree with everything they teach either, but you know how it is.

and another thing--

None of them treated me with anything but respect since when I had met them in the street.

Not like some.

LA

Respect in English...

Regard, consideration. Respite, as a rest or relief. Look at, look back upon.

An attitude of consideration or high regard.

Good opinion, honor, admiration.

Deference, regard, consideration, fealty.

Admiration, esteem, reverence, recognition, veneration, honor.


I cannot apply these to those who promote untruths, and who confound the ontological deity of Christ with something so nominal as a "plan" accomplished in a creative act.

To demand respect is to not earn it; extracting admiration, esteem, regard, recognition, reverence, veneration, honor, and consideration by insistent coercion through guilt or shame and demeaning.

I cannot rest or find relief in the Son not being the literal eternal and uncreated ontologically divine Logos processed into creation and then embodied in flesh as the Incarnate Son.

Therefore, by definition, I cannot "respect" you, and it's not on me. Politically "correct" tolerance is neither correct nor tolerant. It's just humanistic relativism.

I can love (agape) you. But that requires defintion, too.

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Lazy afternoon

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I cannot rest or find relief in the Son not being the literal eternal and uncreated ontologically divine Logos processed into creation and then embodied in flesh as the Incarnate Son.

Gods word was not Gods literal eternal son.

Jesus had to be born before we can say God begat His son.

Not only that but Jesus is the first begotten son.

1Jn 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
1Jn 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

1Jn 5:10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.

LA
 
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