Theology Club: The Gospel of the Kingdom and the Gospel of Grace

[Nick M]

What! so are you now saying that the book of Revelations is for the Gentiles also?

There is no book of "Revelations", so let's start there. It is detail of Jacob's trouble, called tribulation by the Lord Jesus Christ.

You do realise Paul does not even mention the word hell in his teaching to the Gentiles except to tell them that hell has been defeated.

And?

20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Not coincidentaly, Paul is speaking of Israel and the earthly kingdom here. And Paul's gospel is that you can have life, and don't have to stay dead. Something you likely are.

So according to MAD hell is only for the Jews as Paul makes no mention of it.

How do you figure? Do you know what I come but for the lost sheep of the house of Israel means? Do you think the Holy Spirit does not choose his words wisely?

1. Did you build a 300 cubit long ark?

2. Do you eat shell fish?

3. Do you do any work on Saturday (laundry, cooking, cleaning)

4. No need to go on and on. You don't do these things commanded, because they are not written to you.

 

[Bright Raven]

Well if Revelation is only to the Jews and only in the book of Revelation is the lake of fire mentioned, 1+1=2

I think if you ask most MADists they will tell you that the entire bible is for them but that Romans through Philemon is to them. Big difference in what you have to say.

 

[Pneuma]

There is no book of "Revelations", so let's start there. It is detail of Jacob's trouble, called tribulation by the Lord Jesus Christ.



And?

20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Not coincidentaly, Paul is speaking of Israel and the earthly kingdom here. And Paul's gospel is that you can have life, and don't have to stay dead. Something you likely are.




How do you figure? Do you know what I come but for the lost sheep of the house of Israel means? Do you think the Holy Spirit does not choose his words wisely?

1. Did you build a 300 cubit long ark?

2. Do you eat shell fish?

3. Do you do any work on Saturday (laundry, cooking, cleaning)

4. No need to go on and on. You don't do these things commanded, because they are not written to you.

Tell that to Peter who was told by God to eat of those things.

 

[Pneuma]

I think if you ask most MADists they will tell you that the entire bible is for them but that Romans through Philemon is to them. Big difference in what you have to say.

Well ain't that convenient.

Tell me, did Paul seperate himself from the Gentiles while preaching to the Gentiles, or did he include himself in the meassage he preached to the Gentiles?

 

[Nick M]

Tell that to Peter who was told by God to eat of those things.

Non answer. And a lie on top of that. You lying liar.

Matthew 23

1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

You don't keep the red letters, admit it.

 

[Nick M]

You do realise Paul does not even mention the word hell in his teaching to the Gentiles except to tell them that hell has been defeated.

20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

 

[Pneuma]

Non answer. And a lie on top of that. You lying liar.

Matthew 23

1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

You don't keep the red letters, admit it.

That you could not see the answer does not mean it was a non answer.

Peter, a JEW, did not keep the letter either.

Why?

Because there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile) in Christ.

 

[Pneuma]

20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

And where is hell meantioned in that set of scriptures?

 

[Bright Raven]

Well ain't that convenient.

Tell me, did Paul separate himself from the Gentiles while preaching to the Gentiles, or did he include himself in the message he preached to the Gentiles?

If you believed in a Pauline Gospel, where would you go, to the Gospels or Paul's Epistles?

And the answer is that he separated himself unto the Gentiles not to the Jews. Galatians 2:2

 

[Pneuma]

If you believed in a Pauline Gospel, where would you go, to the Gospels or Paul's Epistles?

And the answer is that he separated himself unto the Gentiles not to the Jews. Galatians 2:2

Your not to go to any, you are to go to Christ and in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

So Paul being a Jew is saved differently then other Jews.come on

 

[Bright Raven]

Your not to go to any, you are to go to Christ and in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

So Paul being a Jew is saved differently then other Jews.come on

You finally got it. Paul knew who He was speaking with. Paul called Jesus Lord;

Acts 9:5-6

King James Version (KJV)

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

No one can call Jesus Lord but by the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 12:3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

 

[Lighthouse]

Paul tells us he preached the same message to the Jews and gentiles.

Of course he did; why wouldn't he?

According to MAD at the final judgment only the Jews are thrown into the lake of fire to be eternally tormented or annihilated. (depending on what you believe the lake of fire does).

You are sorely misinformed.

 

[DAN P]

Of course he di; why wouldn't he?


You are sorely misinformed.

Hi and just where does it say , that Peter and Paul preached the same message , with a verse ??

dan p

 

[DAN P]

Your not to go to any, you are to go to Christ and in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

So Paul being a Jew is saved differently then other Jews.come on

Hi , and just where is a verse that they were saved like Paul ??

GIMME A VERSE ??

DAN P

 

[DAN P]

Same. There is only one gospel.

Deja vu, brother?

Hi , and you believe that ??

Where is there a verse on " one Gospel ??

dan p

 

[godrulz]

Non answer. And a lie on top of that. You lying liar.

Matthew 23

1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

You don't keep the red letters, admit it.

This was PRE-cross in a context of rebuking Pharisees. It needs interpretation and application and would not be a key point for your two POST-cross gospels.

Jesus the Jew is one thing. Peter and Paul post-resurrection is another matter (Christian).

 

[godrulz]

If you believed in a Pauline Gospel, where would you go, to the Gospels or Paul's Epistles?

And the answer is that he separated himself unto the Gentiles not to the Jews. Galatians 2:2

We are not denying the pre-cross issue with the Gospels and the post-cross issues with the apostles and Paul. Paul fleshed out the doctrinal details as a defense of the gospel in Romans. This is not proof that the gospel did not predate these letters being rooted in Christ/cross (so Peter and the others would have been on board even before Paul converted; just because they were transitional in their understanding and did not write to the same doctrinal detail does not mean there are two true post-cross gospels).

Just because Paul had personal revelation and commission does not mean the others did not preach the risen Christ (your circ gospel is a false gospel in all disps since it involves works vs grace/faith).

 

[godrulz]

You finally got it. Paul knew who He was speaking with. Paul called Jesus Lord;

Acts 9:5-6

King James Version (KJV)

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

No one can call Jesus Lord but by the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 12:3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Huh? This does not prove MAD and is consistent with other disp views.

 

[Bright Raven]

Huh? This does not prove MAD and is consistent with other disp views.

The answer to the question posed by Pneuma.

 

[Nick M]

That you could not see the answer does not mean it was a non answer.

Yet you still won't answer. You do not keep the red letters, when you pretend you do. You are a hell bound forked tongue snake. Don't think I don't know.

Peter's gospel is Mattthew 23.

Paul's gospel is Romans 4, which states if you keep Matthew 23 it is counted as debt.