Was Vatican 2 a good thing or a bad thing? I say bad thing.
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Vatican anything is a bad thing.
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Why?
Are you Roman Catholic?
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I'm a popetard, yes.
So are you interested in talking about Vatican 2?
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You said you think it was a bad thing, why?
A lot of people stopped going to church. A lot of kids got molested. A lot of changes in the liturgy. A lot of confusion in what to believe.
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A lot of lapsed Catholics used it as an excuse to stop going. Also not just a Catholic thing, a lot of non-Catholics also stopped going to church.
Because of Vatican II? I must have missed something.
Yes.
What do you think about JPII's Catechism?
That was a good thing.
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The USCCB doesn't have any authority over any diocesan bishops. Bishops use the USCCB as their proxy in very many matters, so if your bishop doesn't say anything different from the USCCB, he might be using the USCCB as his proxy in any given matter, such as, should the holy day of obligation upcoming which falls on a Monday be moved to Sunday? Your bishop doesn't have to do what the USCCB says. Same for everything, without exception.
The Catechism is a different story.
Is there a charity you can trust?
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The Catholic Church.
Not a charity. Just a place where you pay your dues.
In church there were CRS envelopes. I looked them up and found they attended the COP 30.
What dues do you owe and why?
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2Co 9:7 (KJV) Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
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You have to go to Mass. 52 weeks a year about, so 52 Sundays. Plus like five more holidays (holy days of obligation), including this past week's feast of the Immaculate Conception of Mary (December 8), and the upcoming Christmas (Christ's Mass or feast of the Nativity (Feliz Navidad).
Plus you have to not commit adultery, etc. You pay your dues by going to Mass, and not committing adultery. It's really not hard, Matthew 11:28-30
'Hundred percent. Giving equals devotions, like the Apostolic "Pray without ceasing" (1st Thessalonians 5:17). You don't have to pray without ceasing (cf. Luke 17:10). You do have to go to Mass, and not commit adultery. No exceptions, unless, in the case of the former, you're invalid basically for some reason (caring for infants, too sick, etc.).
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Why would God command us to do what is evil?
He doesn't. Mass is evil and should be avoided at all cost.
1Thess 5:22 (AKJV/PCE)
(5:22) Abstain from all appearance of evil.
P.S. Where do we find "Mass" in scripture?
What if I don't go at all?