The Mystical Magic of Building Roads: Gov't didn't invent it.

Daniel1769

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Contrary to popular belief, government does not build roads, it did not invent roads.


No President Obama, It Was Private Business That Made Our Roads And Bridges Possible
By Jim Powell , Forbes.com

"Without big government, President Obama likes to suggest, we would all be poor, miserable creatures. For starters, he claims that business became possible only because government built roads and bridges.

Actually, Obama has it backwards. Private business came first, then roads and bridges.

They weren't originally developed by governments. They were developed by merchants who began establishing trade routes thousands of years ago. In the beginning, before the first Department of Public Works, there were innumerable trails.

Developing trails required that somebody travel, and kings generally didn't travel unless they were conquering new territory. If they left their territory for an extended period, they would probably have returned to find somebody else ruling the territory that used to be theirs. So it was merchants, hoping to make money, who blazed the trails for regional and long distance trade. At their own expense, merchants determined the most worthwhile places to go and the most efficient ways of getting there.

Europe’s first great civilizations arose from private trade. Starting perhaps around 7000 B.C.E., a resourceful maritime people who became known as Minoans established themselves in Crete. They were ancient history to Homer. They brought copper from Cyprus, tin from Asia Minor, elephant Tusks from Syria and diorite from the Nile Valley – and Minoan pottery made its way to Egypt.

The ancient origin of private markets and trade routes is most dramatically evident in prehistoric trade goods such as obsidian, a brittle volcanic glass that can be chipped into knife blades, mirrors and other implements. Valued for perhaps 30,000 years, obsidian tools have turned up at most early village sites in the Middle East and Mediterranean. Usually such villages were hundreds of miles away from the sources.

How do we know this? During the 1960s, British archaeologists J.E. Dixon, J.R. Cann and Colin Renfrew gathered obsidian samples from extinct volcanoes throughout the Mediterranean and ancient Mideast. Heated to incandescence, each element in the samples emitted a characteristic wavelength of light. The amount of certain trace elements – barium, zirconium and cesium – varied from one volcano to another. By analyzing obsidian samples from ancient settlement sites, Dixon, Cann and Renfrew could determine which volcano they came from. This isn't the only method of dating obsidian.

Analysis of other commodities confirmed that private trade flourished throughout the ancient world. For example, the remains of many inland Anatolian settlements include seashells from the Aegean as well as amber from the Baltic. Both were valued for jewelry. Copper was used at Ali Kosh, an early farming village in southern Mesopotamia, yet the nearest copper deposits were hundreds of miles away. Pearls from Bahrain, jasper from Armenia, beryl from India and perfume from Egypt have turned up at ancient village sites hundreds of miles away.

Civilization arose not in remote regions but along trade routes where it was convenient for people to gather. Since at least 7000 B.C.E., Jericho was a major commercial center. It was located on a natural trade route between Anatolia, which had obsidian, and Beidha, a village to the south that supplied sea shells and hematite, an iron oxide valued for its red color.

There’s abundant evidence of flourishing trade further east. Archaeologists believe that a light-skinned, dark-haired Sumerian people migrated south from the Caspian Sea about 8500 B.C.E., settling along the delta where the Tigris and the Euphrates empty into the Arabian Gulf. Trade was absolutely vital for civilization there, because the only natural resources were water and mud. Sumerian traders invented sailboats so they could travel long distances. They organized caravans for overland routes.

By the sixth century B.C.E., Greeks began hearing about wonders from the Orient.

The sea route from India brought cashmere, furs, finished cotton, gems, jewelry and some silks. In addition, there were spices – pepper, ginger, cardamom, cinnamon and cloves."
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Full article here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowe...-our-roads-and-bridges-possible/#3eb571ec64eb
 

rocketman

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Did someone assert that govt. namely the U.S. government invented road building? Kind of a stupid assertion but, the U.S.did bring forth the the gold standard of building roads , highways, interstates, bridges, tunnels, etc. and we have president Dwight D Eisenhower to thank for it. The U.S. interstate system is the standard all country's look to on the subject. No, we didn't invent it but, in typical American style we perfected it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System
 

Daniel1769

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Did someone assert that govt. namely the U.S. government invented road building? Kind of a stupid assertion but, the U.S.did bring forth the the gold standard of building roads , highways, interstates, bridges, tunnels, etc. and we have president Dwight D Eisenhower to thank for it. The U.S. interstate system is the standard all country's look to on the subject. No, we didn't invent it but, in typical American style we perfected it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System

The private sector in America perfected it. Not government.
 

ok doser

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Did someone assert that govt. namely the U.S. government invented road building? Kind of a stupid assertion but, the U.S.perfected the gold standard of building roads , highways, interstates, bridges, tunnels, etc. and we have president Dwight D Eisenhower to thank for it. The U.S. interstate system is the standard all country's look to on the subject. No, we didn't invent it but, in typical American style we perfected it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System

just finished a history of the erie canal - clinton's ditch - lambasted when proposed, paid for itself in two years and fostered the explosive growth of towns along it's route, farms inland, and served as a conduit for immigration to the west


and it was built by da gubmint
 

rocketman

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The private sector in America perfected it. Not government.

Who employed the private sector to complete these marvels? Who engineered them? Hint: it wasn't just the private sector. Yes, roads & interstates add value to the commerce of a nation but, they were also built for strategic military reasons both of which are mandated under the constitution of our nation "to promote the general welfare" & "providing for the common defense". Roads are the responsibility of the government for these reasons and much to your chagrin yes, we as Americans pay for that service.
 

rocketman

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just finished a history of the erie canal - clinton's ditch - lambasted when proposed, paid for itself in two years and fostered the explosive growth of towns along it's route, farms inland, and served as a conduit for immigration to the west


and it was built by da gubmint


I didn't even mention waterways yes, they too are for the benefit of us all in one way or another.
 

Daniel1769

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Who employed the private sector to complete these marvels? Who engineered them? Hint: it wasn't just the private sector. Yes, roads & interstates add value to the commerce of a nation but, they were also built for strategic military reasons both of which are mandated under the constitution of our nation "to promote the general welfare" & "providing for the common defense". Roads are the responsibility of the government for these reasons and much to your chagrin yes, we as Americans pay for that service.

The private sector engineers and builds roads. The government just takes money to over pay for it. Government doesn't do anything to build roads. If I hire a company to build a house for me, I don't get to say I'm the architect and builder.
 

ok doser

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The private sector engineers and builds roads. The government just takes money to over pay for it. Government doesn't do anything to build roads. If I hire a company to build a house for me, I don't get to say I'm the architect and builder.

you're a little nutty about this, aren't you? :kookoo:
 

ok doser

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passed a plow on my way in this morning, maintaining the roads

it was a county plow - county government
 

rocketman

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The private sector engineers and builds roads. The government just takes money to over pay for it. Government doesn't do anything to build roads. If I hire a company to build a house for me, I don't get to say I'm the architect and builder.

Guess you never heard of the Army Corps of Engineers have you? Government has their own set of engineers that not only plan but, approve the the plans of subcontracted engineering firms doing work for the government, or did you think they just do it all on their own. You got nuthin, and your point is rather pointless really.
 

ok doser

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Guess you never heard of the Army Corps of Engineers have you? Government has their own set of engineers that not only plan but, approve the the plans of subcontracted engineering firms doing work for the government, or did you think they just do it all on their own. You got nuthin, and your point is rather pointless really.


i suspect he's a dopey kid who just got his first job and had the difference between "net" and "gross" explained to him
 

rocketman

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i suspect he's a dopey kid who just got his first job and had the difference between "net" and "gross" explained to him

He certainly hasn't researched his assertion very well or just wants to prove a false narrative not based in facts. He doesn't understand that when a company is subcontracted by the government for a service that the government has great oversight & specialists in the field that direct the effort, whatever that may be, roads to rocket ships the customer has the last say or it's back to the drawing board. He also doesn't understand when he uses the phrase "government" that he is referring to a different set of individuals working in the government's employ that hold the same specialty as a private contractor working for the government.
 

rocketman

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The private sector engineers and builds roads. The government just takes money to over pay for it. Government doesn't do anything to build roads. If I hire a company to build a house for me, I don't get to say I'm the architect and builder.

You are wrong but, take your fantasy where you will. :carryon:
 

rocketman

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So, you're disputing the fact that the government hires private contractors to build roads? Do..do you think the politicians and their staffs are out building the bridges?

Never disputed that private engineering firms were involved but, if you believe that the government builds anything without exacting standards, and complete oversight over the engineering being proposed you would be dead wrong. The government has engineers of their own that either approve or disapprove any plans for public works projects, defense articles, just about anything that is under contract. So, in the sense that private firms contracted to the government engineered or built a road yes but, that private firms put forth the money or had any final say in how anything the government builds gets done...never. It is always American ingenuity that builds things whether they are pulling a government check or a private one but, even the private check is paid with government funds, ie. the peoples money.
 

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The government wasn't supposed to do anything except distribute and enforce the Constitution.
It was intended to be more of a machine that didn't become so involved with society as it does now.

The Presidency was meant to deal with common interest and foreign affairs, not pertain to specialty groups and dictate morals. That's why I've stated a couple times that we haven't actually had a 'President', we've had a lobbyist with too much power, which has corrupted the Left substantially more. Those people can hardly even be called Americans right now :rolleyes:
 
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