The pedophilia
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The problem is and was that the church relocated and hid homosexuals among unsuspecting folks. By not reporting those priest to the police who molested children the church emboldened those priest who preyed on kids.
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I know right? Idolater a guy who has seen, first hand, how all the fake news networks can launch massive propaganda campaigns against Trump and make half the country buy them, but he cannot grasp that the same thing was done to the Church.
There are so many factors in this topic that were stretched out of proportion that no real clear picture can be seen. This issue about homosexuality vs, pedophilia is just one of them.
Another one is that once you take into account the number of priests there were spanning the time frames involved, it turned out that the cases fall well below the national average. In other words, it is more likely that your average American citizen would be involved in such things than a priest. Or to re-word it, you were safer with a priest than your average American. Now, again, that is no excuse to the guilty priests, but it provides a little perspective.
Yes another factor is that almost every case we heard about never had its day in court. That's why I asked Idolater for links to court convictions because I knew he would never find 10. In fact, this was an event in history where all involved were assumed guilty with no trial. Yes, there were a few trials, but almost all the accused never ever had a day in court. That's not America, and the last time I heard, a person is innocent until found guilty. But not to Idolater
This story had so many lies and fabrications and unfair practices that it is almost impossible to tell what really did happen.
Yes, statutory rape. That is true. But like I said, I could have sex with a 17 year old guy and that would also be statutory rape, but in reality I am hardly a pedophile. LOL
Trump Gurl
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Let's talk about that. A thumbnail lesson in Catholic Church Governance 101:
Every diocese is its own autonomous entity. Much like a state, the governor of one state has nothing to do with other sates. If Cuomo turned out to be moving sicko assistants around, that is not a stain on America, its just a stain on him.
A bishop is like the governor of a diocese. There is only one bishop (and an auxiliary bishop) in each diocese. Hundreds of priests and brothers, but just one bishop. He runs the show.
So, a few bishops shuffling priests around is not the same as "The Catholic Church" shuffling priests around. Let's be clear.
And for the fourth time: I am not excusing bad behavior, I am just giving perspective.
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But all that aside, I am more concerned with this that I posted, which I guess is a different topic:
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That brings me to a major post I wish someone would help me write: Was the relentless attack on the Catholic Church a decade or so ago over this issue the opening salvo of today's cancel culture? And worse, were conservative protestant Christians willing accomplices by way of their dislike of Catholicism? They had to get the Catholic Church and its power out of the way after all. I remember reading a statement a protestant pastor had made years ago, It went something like, if the Catholic Church ever falls to the forces of secularism, the rest of the small churches will never stand a chance. Like us or not, we are the biggest force on the planet against abortion, gay marriage, etc.
An interesting thought.
EDIT: Remember, it was the Catholic Church hand in hand with Ronald Reagan that toppled Communism. Before the Socialist Democrats could do what they are doing today they had to get the Church out of the way first, right? They had to emasculate us so nobody would listen to us anymore. Today Catholic bishops do not wield nearly the influence they use to in the old days, thanks to the scandal.
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Who do the Bishops report to ? I believe everyone from the Pope on down knew of the molesting, but it seems like they wanted to protect the churches image at the expense of the kids, sadly.
Trump Gurl
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Nobody. It is actually a common misconception that the Pope manages them. The Pope has SUPREME authority on doctrinal matters, teaching and so forth. But in matters concerning basic governance and administrative stuff, the pope actually does not have anything to do with that stuff in other dioceses.
I cannot stop you from believing what you want to, but I can assure you that, for example, a pope with all he has to do, does not know nor is he interested in the administrative transfers of priests around the world.
And remember, as has already been demonstrated: The "molesting" you speak of was actually priests and young men having sex. With that in mind, yes, popes probably knew it was happening, but let's really think about that for a second: We are saying that popes knew that priests sin. OMG REALLY? Well, everyone sins. Priests, Popes and everyone's Auntie Mimi and Uncle Joe sins. If we kicked every sinner out of the Church there would be no Church. Just as with everyone else, it is assumed that a person who sins will repent and confess and sin no more.
I don't believe that any modern era pope ever thought that way. I really don't.
EDIT: Homosexual men in the priesthood was debated at one time, and the conclusion made perfect sense but did not work out in reality. The thought was, we are all sinners, and we are called not to sin. If a homosexual does not sin (i.e. he remains abstinent from sex) then he is the same as the rest of us, right? People prone to gluttony, people prone to drinking, people prone to sex in general, gambling, anger . . . . . we all have our thing right? Shall we bar all sinners from the priesthood? There would be no priesthood if we did. That was the thinking. It makes sense, on paper. Sadly, in reality, it did not work out so well.
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No TG there were many many children involved who were molested by priest. The cover up was what most folks , even Catholics in my own family, found so hard to take. Yes, we are all sinners but we should all try to protect the kids not cover up for the molesters.
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"Many" is a subjective term. Obviously ONE is one too many. But the fact is that the vast majority of reported although unproven cases were between priests and young men. As Jefferson noted, that is not pedophilia and children. That is homosexuality. Fake News did not say that because fake news PROMOTES homosexuality. They played up pedophilia because they knew it would make people angry. We saw how fake new strung out a 4 year long massive propaganda campaign of lies against Trump so please do not think them incapable of doing the same thing to the Church too.
I suggest you read what I wrote in post # 4:
Was the relentless attack on the Catholic Church a decade or so ago over this issue the opening salvo of today's cancel culture? And worse, were conservative protestant Christians willing accomplices by way of their dislike of Catholicism? They had to get the Catholic Church and its power out of the way after all. I remember reading a statement a protestant pastor had made years ago, It went something like, if the Catholic Church ever falls to the forces of secularism, the rest of the small churches will never stand a chance. Like us or not, we are the biggest force on the planet against abortion, gay marriage, etc.
An interesting thought.
EDIT: Remember, it was the Catholic Church hand in hand with Ronald Reagan that toppled Communism. Before the Socialist Democrats could do what they are doing today they had to get the Church out of the way first, right? They had to emasculate us so nobody would listen to us anymore. Today Catholic bishops do not wield nearly the influence they use to in the old days, thanks to the scandal.
I am just a person in a forum and I cannot shake you of that which you are convinced is true. I can only say that you have bought into some fake news. Look, I hate pedophiles. Why the heck would I defend them!! I am not. I am just saying what really happened. Statistically, a kid is safer with a priest than with the average American.
Wikipedia has a list by country of priest molesting children this is just in Germany alone.
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On 25 September 2018, the German Catholic Bishops' Conference released a report (which it commissioned in 2014) that reported that 3,677 children in Germany, mostly boys under age 13, were sexually abused by Catholic clergy members over the past seven decades". About 1,670 church workers, or 4.4% of the clergy, had been involved in the abuse. In 60% of the cases, the alleged offender escaped justice. In many of these instances, the accused priest was simply relocated to another parish without informing the new community about his alleged past crime(s).[25] By systematically moving the priests, the Church attempted to hush up their crimes.[26]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish_transfers_of_abusive_Catholic_priests
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A well-documented case involves Peter Kramer, ordained as priest in Viechtachin 1997, who abused two boys in 1999, and was convicted to three years probation in 2000, in which time he was barred from working with children and had to undergo therapy. However, in 2001 he was transferred to a parish in Riekofen where he worked with young children again, violating the court order, and in 2004 was officially appointed as the priest of Riekofen. Bishop Manfred Müller and bishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller were accused of mishandling the case, with the presiding judge commenting: "To send a priest convicted of abuse back into a parish is like a bank employing a criminal convicted of fraud as a treasurer." Kramer was imprisoned for 8 years in 2010.[23][24]On 25 September 2018, the German Catholic Bishops' Conference released a report (which it commissioned in 2014) that reported that 3,677 children in Germany, mostly boys under age 13, were sexually abused by Catholic clergy members over the past seven decades". About 1,670 church workers, or 4.4% of the clergy, had been involved in the abuse. In 60% of the cases, the alleged offender escaped justice. In many of these instances, the accused priest was simply relocated to another parish without informing the new community about his alleged past crime(s).[25] By systematically moving the priests, the Church attempted to hush up their crimes.[26]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish_transfers_of_abusive_Catholic_priests
Trump Gurl
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Helloooooo . . you are not hearing meeeee. . . .
Wikipedia? The same site that has a million and one lies about Trump? The same site that has a million and one lies about conservatives?
I say again: We saw how fake new strung out a 4 year long massive propaganda campaign of lies against Trump so please do not think them incapable of doing the same thing to the Church too.
Few people know the truth about this topic. I am one of them thank God.
One thing: Where ae the court convictions in all those cases. Can you please point to a few and the sentences they received? In America, with the exception of a couple of showcase trials, almost every priest barred from the priesthood never had a day in court. Do you approve of that? Are you now on the side of the liberals, guilty until proven innocent?
Wikipedia? The same site that has a million and one lies about Trump? The same site that has a million and one lies about conservatives?
I say again: We saw how fake new strung out a 4 year long massive propaganda campaign of lies against Trump so please do not think them incapable of doing the same thing to the Church too.
Few people know the truth about this topic. I am one of them thank God.
One thing: Where ae the court convictions in all those cases. Can you please point to a few and the sentences they received? In America, with the exception of a couple of showcase trials, almost every priest barred from the priesthood never had a day in court. Do you approve of that? Are you now on the side of the liberals, guilty until proven innocent?
No I believe every person priest or not should have had a day in court to face their accusers, but that was all but impossible with their church reposting them and hiding their crimes.
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The Spotlight team at the Boston Globe did an amazing job of tracking down and exposing that pandemic of pedophilia in the Roman Catholic "church".
Idolater
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You people, and I'm sorry to say that it's every last one of you itt, are so willing to conflate homosexual offense with violent crime (child rape---all rape is violent, even if it doesn't leave a mark, even if it's "statutory"---there's a reason we have an age of consent), that it's appalling and worrisome. And unfortunately I doubt you're in the minority in your respective communities, families, and churches for those of you who "go to church," and the prospect of this widespread myopia is troubling.
You're barking up the wrong tree! You're barking up the tree with homosexual offenders in it, but the truth is that the right tree to be barking up, is the one with the violent criminals in it!
You're inured. And it's because they're all liars, up that tree are the most dangerous violent criminals, they're so dangerous that if they're ever caught and convicted and they're sent to prison, the other inmates try to kill them right away, because even the prison population knows more than you all do, about how dangerous they are. They'll kill you as soon as look at you, they're right from the pit of hell, and when they lie they speak their native tongue, and it's that last one that has you all barking up the tree of homosexuals, which is largely a tree full of non-violent non-criminals.
I don't think any of you understand how dishonest, duplicitous, deceitful and devious these violent criminals are, these aren't the "armed robberies" populating our prisons, these ones exploit naivete, targeting it like a guided missile, and striking with precision, these are the minds that concoct ways to not only rape children, but also to serially murder, child molesters /child rapists /pedophiles /paedophiles and serial murderers are of the same ilk.
They all either want to rape children, or murder innocent people, or both, or even more, with impunity. This is the type of violent criminal that descended upon the Catholic priesthood. That they were Catholic priests is as significant as if they were all garbagemen instead, it's just the occupation that these wickedly deceitful violent criminals decided to exploit, they saw it as an advantageous position, from which to strike their victims, who were all children, except for if they needed to murder an adult, who might expose their violent crimes (child rape) to law enforcement.
You're barking up the wrong tree! You're barking up the tree with homosexual offenders in it, but the truth is that the right tree to be barking up, is the one with the violent criminals in it!
You're inured. And it's because they're all liars, up that tree are the most dangerous violent criminals, they're so dangerous that if they're ever caught and convicted and they're sent to prison, the other inmates try to kill them right away, because even the prison population knows more than you all do, about how dangerous they are. They'll kill you as soon as look at you, they're right from the pit of hell, and when they lie they speak their native tongue, and it's that last one that has you all barking up the tree of homosexuals, which is largely a tree full of non-violent non-criminals.
I don't think any of you understand how dishonest, duplicitous, deceitful and devious these violent criminals are, these aren't the "armed robberies" populating our prisons, these ones exploit naivete, targeting it like a guided missile, and striking with precision, these are the minds that concoct ways to not only rape children, but also to serially murder, child molesters /child rapists /pedophiles /paedophiles and serial murderers are of the same ilk.
They all either want to rape children, or murder innocent people, or both, or even more, with impunity. This is the type of violent criminal that descended upon the Catholic priesthood. That they were Catholic priests is as significant as if they were all garbagemen instead, it's just the occupation that these wickedly deceitful violent criminals decided to exploit, they saw it as an advantageous position, from which to strike their victims, who were all children, except for if they needed to murder an adult, who might expose their violent crimes (child rape) to law enforcement.
And the Roman Catholic Church hid and sent those child molesting priest to un- suspecting parishes over and over.
Idolater
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Mass murder is "grievous sin" too, so is rape, so is perjury---but so is all offense against chastity; masturbation, premarital heterosexual relations, adultery and homosexual offense. One category is violent crime, and the other category is not.
No, I'm not. I'm a mouthpiece for human rights, and against paedophiles, child rapists, child molesters. Violent criminals.
I don't know any Catholics like you. I'm from Boston, and we're just not like you in this diocese.
Idolater
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The reason these most dangerous of violent criminals, and others like them, are able to get away with their violent crime---no matter where they're getting away with it---is because they are liars, and are so deceptive that lying is their native tongue. They exploit innocent naivete.
And once they get moved, then they just get back to raping kids. That's what they do. They live to rape children. That's all they care about, that's all they value. Like serial killers who have the same violent criminal tendencies, but who also murder on top of the raping. They have one interest. And they'll do anything to satisfy it.
Wrong, they got away with raping children because the RCC hid and covered their crimes to protect their phony image.
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Apparently you do not understand the problem within your own "church". The "church" moved these pedophile child rapists around within the "church" so that they could continue to do their perversion to child after child WITHIN the "church". They HID the problem so that these perverts were able to continue for YEARS and YEARS with CHILD AFTER CHILD.