To preach that people can be in Christ by believing is to preach another gospel

Samie

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In the gospel that He preached, Christ commanded people to repent and believe:

KJV Mark 1:14-15 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

And if people don't repent, Christ said they'll perish. Luke 13:3, 5.

Christ won't command people to repent & believe if they are not able to. Hence, prior to their repenting & believing, they were first empowered. And since the only Source of power is Christ, being the power of God (1 Cor 1:24), people are first PLUGGED IN to Him before they were asked to repent & believe.

But most preachers teach the EXACT opposite: Repent & believe first before one can be IN Christ.

I believe these preachers don't want to be accursed. see Gal 1:6-9
 

glorydaz

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Christ won't command people to repent & believe if they are not able to. Hence, prior to their repenting & believing, they were first empowered. And since the only Source of power is Christ, being the power of God (1 Cor 1:24), people are first PLUGGED IN to Him before they were asked to repent & believe.

You forgot this part.

1 Cor. 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

And you missed this part.

Romans 10:14-15 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.​
 

Samie

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Those are not forgotten parts. Had I added them, the more your position becomes unscriptural. Hearing can only be possible to one who had been EMPOWERED to hear.

But your position is cyclical, glorydaz. One cannot hear the gospel unless first empowered, and one cannot be empowered unless he hears the gospel.

That's why your gospel is diametrically opposed to what Christ preached.
 

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Mankind is born with the ability to believe but believing lies prevents them from hearing.


Act 28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

but even so men may refuse what they do hear when the voice is so powerful to override all.

Luk 22:66 And as soon as it was day, the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying,
Luk 22:67 Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:
Luk 22:68 And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go.
Luk 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Luk 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
Luk 22:71 And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.
 

TrevorL

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Greetings Samie,
Christ won't command people to repent & believe if they are not able to. Hence, prior to their repenting & believing, they were first empowered. And since the only Source of power is Christ, being the power of God (1 Cor 1:24), people are first PLUGGED IN to Him before they were asked to repent & believe.
But most preachers teach the EXACT opposite: Repent & believe first before one can be IN Christ.
The power to believe is from the Gospel.
Romans 1:16-17 (KJV): 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:26-29 (KJV): 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The sequence is clearly stated, belief or faith in Christ Jesus is what makes us children, thus we are not children at birth, then baptism into Christ is also part of the process, and we thus are then IN Christ, not before. Belief and baptism opens the way to inherit the promises. All others are outside Christ.

Kind regards
Trevor
 

Marbleyes

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This is eXactly what The Bible says. Many do not realize and take into account that the 144,000 VIRGINS in the book Of Revelation are in fact women / females.

translators and church organizations will have You believing such things as that there is actually such a thing as a literal physical male virgin.

144,000 thousand male gay virgins of Revelation. But - There are no Male virgins in the Bible

The 144,000 Virgins - are Women. { Females.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled among women; for they are virgins.
Notice The Greek word - “ with - meta “ in the above Phrase - not defiled with women.
The Original Greek Scriptures are not saying that these Virgins have not been Defiled by being seX free from women. The Original Greek is Actually saying that These Virgins / Woman were not Defiled Among Women. The Greek Word - is - Among Women. There is a huge Difference between saying - Defiled With Women and saying Defiled Among Women. They are Woman / Female virgins, who are taken OUT - from Among other defiled Woman of the Earth at a certain times or events in History - when other woman around them were defiled. And these specific women *(SPECIFIC WOMEN are VIRGINS ) and have not been Defiled among Woman * They are Virgins.

The Scriptures are not Saying that these Virgins had abstained from having seX with other woman - but that these Virgins had not been Defiled Among Woman. Let’s Look at the Difference between saying - Defiled With Women and saying Defiled Among Women.

This Greek Word meta - met-ah' -_ is the Greek 3326 μετά

Meta - met-ah' Meaning accompaniment; “ with - which it is joined; occupying - among - Together -

Also there is no such a IDEA of a literal physical male virgin in 6000 years of Biblical History

This Greek word Meta is used in Verses such as Rev 21:3 God..... He will dwell with Meta them, and they shall be his people. The fact that God is with them does not mean that They are Sexual partners with God. But that God will be Among or With them. The Verse is not saying that God will have seXual intercourse or have a certain type of Physical relations or perform any such actions of any kind with His people - but that he simply will Dwell with Meta them *( Among them.) accompaniment with his people.

One more eXample notice in Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet. Notice the word with Meta in the Phrase . “with him the false prophet.”
The Verse is not stating that God will be taking the beast with the false prophet in sexual Trinitarian threesome. But that God will take them together and put them into a pit. The beast was taken with the false prophet. They were in accompaniment together but the verse does not state that they were having seX
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REMEMBER the Difference between saying - Defiled With Women and saying Defiled Among Women.

The Translators want You to believe that these virgins were Males. But I will show You more proof that they were Women.

Lets notice that Rev 14:4 also tells us that These Virgins *( Women / Females ) here - These *( Virgins ) were redeemed from men. But the Word “ Men “ here in the verse is not in Meaning or in Reference to a MALE But it is the Greek Word anthrōpos or Anthropod Greek 444 anthrōpos

anth'-ro-pos Meaning Man faced, that is, A Human being: - Mankind.

This Greek word Meaning a Human Being or Mankind is Used in Mat 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
The Greek word Anthropos / Anthropod does not Mean a Male seX But it simply means a Human Being. It can be used for either or both. There is a Greek word for Male and a separate Greek word for Male and a separate Greek word for Humanity, Mankind.
The 144,000 in Rev 14:4 - are in fact Females - Women - Virgins who are not defiled among ( Meta ) women and were taken out of mankind *( Arthropods ) in the earth . There is no such an idea or concept of a Male Virgin. In the entire Bible, You will never find the idea of a Male Virgin. NEVER.

The Rev 14:4 verse goes on to say that these Woman / Virgins will be Singers for Jesus, *( The Lamb ) and Follow Him wherever he goes, Singing and Praising Him... They are Female, Virgins. Singers that Christ has Chosen.

Notice the Greek... Here.

Mar 10:6 But G1161 from G575 the beginning G746 of the creation G2937 God G2316 made G4160 them G846 male G730 and G2532 female G2338.

The Greek Word Used in Scriptures for Male is Greek G730 ἄῤῥην, arrhēn / r-hrane meaning a Male.
The Greek Word Used in Scriptures for Female is Greek G2338 θῆλυς thēlus thay'-loos

Meaning a Female..

The 144,000 Virgins. Not defiled among Women - taken from Mankind /Humanity

This Theory and Ideology is wrapped up in the Culture that believes that there is some Glory and Special Holiness and Godly Ordination - in a MALE being a Virgin. But in the Bible - there is no Such an IDEA or CONCEPT of a Male Virgin. Nor the Requirement or Concern - that a Male be a literal Virgin.

A male is never required to EVER, EVER even Consider His Virginity or Worry or Concern Himself with being a Virgin before He is Married. He Can Mary 10,000 Times to Many, Many Virgins and Widows and Never will be required to be a Virgin. This is Basic Bible Stuff.

The Idea does not eXist in the Bible. *( yes - There is the concept of a Spiritual Virgin of the Polygamous Bride OF God who - if they leave polygamy marriage it is committing spiritual fornication and adultery and divorce.

____________ BUT there is no Distinction between the Male and Female and There is no sexuality in the Bride of Christ. The Only requirements for a Male - Is that He Not Forsake His Wives, And Not Have seX with a another Currently Married Woman. Or a Whore.

That's it - That's it Nothing more. There is no Glory, Special Status or Honor or Requirement - in a Man being A VIRGIN. it is all in The homoseXual driven Un Biblical Imagination.

there are no Male Virgins in the bible AND nothing Honorable and special and holy about a Man being a virgin. HE is never honoring or Showing anything to anyone - By being physically a virgin. unless He is a homosexual.

it has no Value in the bible = And there are no physical Male Virgins/ unless He is strictly a bi- seXual or a homoseXual.
 
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