TOL treasure hunt

WatchmanOnTheWall

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Answer the following questions correctly and you will receive a surprise prize.

Q1: In Exodus 16 on what 6 days in the second month did God say the Manna would be first collected:

Q1 & 2 have been correctly answered, to go to question 3 click here: http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?129091-TOL-treasure-hunt&p=5219962&viewfull=1#post5219962

Exodus 16
Manna and Quail

1The whole Israelite community set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron. 3The Israelites said to them, “If only we had died by the Lord’s hand in Egypt! There we sat around pots of meat and ate all the food we wanted, but you have brought us out into this desert to starve this entire assembly to death.”

4Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions. 5On the sixth day they are to prepare what they bring in, and that is to be twice as much as they gather on the other days.”

6So Moses and Aaron said to all the Israelites, “In the evening you will know that it was the Lord who brought you out of Egypt, 7and in the morning you will see the glory of the Lord, because he has heard your grumbling against him. Who are we, that you should grumble against us?” 8Moses also said, “You will know that it was the Lord when he gives you meat to eat in the evening and all the bread you want in the morning, because he has heard your grumbling against him. Who are we? You are not grumbling against us, but against the Lord.”

9Then Moses told Aaron, “Say to the entire Israelite community, ‘Come before the Lord, for he has heard your grumbling.’ ”

10While Aaron was speaking to the whole Israelite community, they looked toward the desert, and there was the glory of the Lord appearing in the cloud.

11The Lord said to Moses, 12“I have heard the grumbling of the Israelites. Tell them, ‘At twilight you will eat meat, and in the morning you will be filled with bread. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.’ ”

13That evening quail came and covered the camp, and in the morning there was a layer of dew around the camp. 14When the dew was gone, thin flakes like frost on the ground appeared on the desert floor. 15When the Israelites saw it, they said to each other, “What is it?” For they did not know what it was.

Moses said to them, “It is the bread the Lord has given you to eat. 16This is what the Lord has commanded: ‘Everyone is to gather as much as they need. Take an omera for each person you have in your tent.’ ”


17The Israelites did as they were told; some gathered much, some little. 18And when they measured it by the omer, the one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little. Everyone had gathered just as much as they needed.

19Then Moses said to them, “No one is to keep any of it until morning.”

20However, some of them paid no attention to Moses; they kept part of it until morning, but it was full of maggots and began to smell. So Moses was angry with them.

21Each morning everyone gathered as much as they needed, and when the sun grew hot, it melted away. 22On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much—two omers for each person—and the leaders of the community came and reported this to Moses. 23He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’ ”

24So they saved it until morning, as Moses commanded, and it did not stink or get maggots in it. 25“Eat it today,” Moses said, “because today is a sabbath to the Lord. You will not find any of it on the ground today. 26Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any.”
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall

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The Biblical month starts with the sighting of the new moon:

1 Samuel 20:18 + 24-27
18 Then Jonathan said to David, “Tomorrow is the New Moon feast [Day1] . You will be missed, because your seat will be empty.

24 So David hid in the field, and when the New Moon feast came [Day1], the king sat down to eat. 25 He sat in his customary place by the wall, opposite Jonathan, and Abner sat next to Saul, but David’s place was empty. 26 Saul said nothing that day, for he thought, “Something must have happened to David to make him ceremonially unclean, surely he is unclean.” 27 But the next day, the second day of the month, [Day2] David’s place was empty again. Then Saul said to his son Jonathan, “Why hasn’t the son of Jesse come to the meal, either yesterday or today?”
 
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genuineoriginal

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And Sabbaths are on days 8, 15, 22 & 29 each lunar month.
Explain which day of the week the highlighted days fall on.
FirstSecondThirdFourthFifthSixthSabbath
March 17, Nisan 1
March 18, Nisan 2March 19, Nisan 3March 20, Nisan 4March 21, Nisan 5March 22, Nisan 6March 23, Nisan 7March 24, Nisan 8
March 25, Nisan 9March 26, Nisan 10March 27, Nisan 11March 28, Nisan 12March 29, Nisan 13March 30, Nisan 14March 31, Nisan 15
April 1, Nisan 16April 2, Nisan 17April 3, Nisan 18April 4, Nisan 19April 5, Nisan 20April 6, Nisan 21April 7, Nisan 22
April 8, Nisan 23April 9, Nisan 24April 10, Nisan 25April 11, Nisan 26April 12, Nisan 27April 13, Nisan 28April 14, Nisan 29
April 15, Nisan 30April 16, Iyyar 1
April 17, Iyyar 2April 18, Iyyar 3April 19, Iyyar 4April 20, Iyyar 5April 21, Iyyar 6April 22, Iyyar 7April 23, Iyyar 8
April 24, Iyyar 9April 25, Iyyar 10April 26, Iyyar 11April 27, Iyyar 12April 28, Iyyar 13April 29, Iyyar 14April 30, Iyyar 15
May 1, Iyyar 16May 2, Iyyar 17May 3, Iyyar 18May 4, Iyyar 19May 5, Iyyar 20May 6, Iyyar 21May 7, Iyyar 22
May 8, Iyyar 23May 9, Iyyar 24May 10, Iyyar 25May 11, Iyyar 26May 12, Iyyar 27May 13, Iyyar 28May 14, Iyyar 29
May 15, Sivan 1
May 16, Sivan 2May 17, Sivan 3May 18, Sivan 4May 19, Sivan 5May 20, Sivan 6May 21, Sivan 7May 22, Sivan 8
May 23, Sivan 9May 24, Sivan 10May 25, Sivan 11May 26, Sivan 12May 27, Sivan 13May 28, Sivan 14May 29, Sivan 15
May 30, Sivan 16May 31, Sivan 17June 1, Sivan 18June 2, Sivan 19June 3, Sivan 20June 4, Sivan 21June 5, Sivan 22
June 6, Sivan 23June 7, Sivan 24June 8, Sivan 25June 9, Sivan 26June 10, Sivan 27June 11, Sivan 28June 12, Sivan 29
June 13, Sivan 30June 14, Tamuz 1
June 15, Tamuz 2June 16, Tamuz 3June 17, Tamuz 4June 18, Tamuz 5June 19, Tamuz 6June 20, Tamuz 7June 21, Tamuz 8
June 22, Tamuz 9June 23, Tamuz 10June 24, Tamuz 11June 25, Tamuz 12June 26, Tamuz 13June 27, Tamuz 14June 28, Tamuz 15
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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Explain which day of the week the highlighted days fall on.
FirstSecondThirdFourthFifthSixthSabbath
March 17, Nisan 1
March 18, Nisan 2March 19, Nisan 3March 20, Nisan 4March 21, Nisan 5March 22, Nisan 6March 23, Nisan 7March 24, Nisan 8
March 25, Nisan 9March 26, Nisan 10March 27, Nisan 11March 28, Nisan 12March 29, Nisan 13March 30, Nisan 14March 31, Nisan 15
April 1, Nisan 16April 2, Nisan 17April 3, Nisan 18April 4, Nisan 19April 5, Nisan 20April 6, Nisan 21April 7, Nisan 22
April 8, Nisan 23April 9, Nisan 24April 10, Nisan 25April 11, Nisan 26April 12, Nisan 27April 13, Nisan 28April 14, Nisan 29
April 15, Nisan 30April 16, Iyyar 1
April 17, Iyyar 2April 18, Iyyar 3April 19, Iyyar 4April 20, Iyyar 5April 21, Iyyar 6April 22, Iyyar 7April 23, Iyyar 8
April 24, Iyyar 9April 25, Iyyar 10April 26, Iyyar 11April 27, Iyyar 12April 28, Iyyar 13April 29, Iyyar 14April 30, Iyyar 15
May 1, Iyyar 16May 2, Iyyar 17May 3, Iyyar 18May 4, Iyyar 19May 5, Iyyar 20May 6, Iyyar 21May 7, Iyyar 22
May 8, Iyyar 23May 9, Iyyar 24May 10, Iyyar 25May 11, Iyyar 26May 12, Iyyar 27May 13, Iyyar 28May 14, Iyyar 29
May 15, Sivan 1
May 16, Sivan 2May 17, Sivan 3May 18, Sivan 4May 19, Sivan 5May 20, Sivan 6May 21, Sivan 7May 22, Sivan 8
May 23, Sivan 9May 24, Sivan 10May 25, Sivan 11May 26, Sivan 12May 27, Sivan 13May 28, Sivan 14May 29, Sivan 15
May 30, Sivan 16May 31, Sivan 17June 1, Sivan 18June 2, Sivan 19June 3, Sivan 20June 4, Sivan 21June 5, Sivan 22
June 6, Sivan 23June 7, Sivan 24June 8, Sivan 25June 9, Sivan 26June 10, Sivan 27June 11, Sivan 28June 12, Sivan 29
June 13, Sivan 30June 14, Tamuz 1
June 15, Tamuz 2June 16, Tamuz 3June 17, Tamuz 4June 18, Tamuz 5June 19, Tamuz 6June 20, Tamuz 7June 21, Tamuz 8
June 22, Tamuz 9June 23, Tamuz 10June 24, Tamuz 11June 25, Tamuz 12June 26, Tamuz 13June 27, Tamuz 14June 28, Tamuz 15

Incorrect. It says in Chapter 16 which days they collected the manna on, you must have missed it or not read it.
 

daqq

Well-known member
Incorrect. It says in Chapter 16 which days they collected the manna on, you must have missed it or not read it.

Your answer to the question is "incorrect"? How is that an answer and not evasion? If the calendar which was posted is incorrect according to you then why not post what you believe is the correct version of the calendar and answer the simple question? Do you need confusion in order for your calendar to sound acceptable to others? There is no doubt that your version of the calendar inserts days at the end of every month because the lunar cycle is approximately equal to 29.5 days and that is not a number which is divisible by seven, (pretty much everyone knows that 4x7=28, lol). The scripture plainly says, paraphrased, because it is said in more than one place in several ways, "Six days shall work be done but the seventh day is the Sabbath", and there is nowhere that the Sabbath is ever tied to the lunar cycle in any way: in fact the Sabbath is always tied to the creation week if anything at all, and yet what most people interpret as "the sun and moon", (the greater light and the lesser light), were not even created until the fourth day. If therefore you believe that the sun and moon were created in the fourth day, Gen1:14,15,16, then you have the seventh day being only the third day after the sun and moon were created. Thus, in your version of what appears to be a strictly lunar calendar, you have the moon being created in the fourth day of creation and the first Sabbath falling only three days later. :dizzy:
 
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daqq

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Incorrect. It says in Chapter 16 which days they collected the manna on, you must have missed it or not read it.

Moreover you must have missed what was already said to you in your own thread:

How do you suppose that Moses knew the "flesh" would come first and that it would be in the evening, (first, before the morning)? The Father does not mention those things in Exodus 16 before Moses makes the claim; so how did Moses know? It is because of the phrase "ba-yom ha-shishi", and that is significant because the sixth day of the creation is the only day, (of the six days of creation), containing the article in that manner, (yom ha-shishi). That means that Moses knows what he knows from what is already stated in Gen1:31.

Exodus 16:3-8 KJV
3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.
4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day
["bayom hashishi"] they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
6 And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the LORD hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:
7 And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the LORD; for that he heareth your murmurings against the LORD: and what are we, that ye murmur against us?
8 And Moses said, This shall be, when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the LORD.


See what I mean? The Father said nothing in this passage, (Exo16:4-5), about evening, (or "flesh"), but Moses knows it from what was said to him because yom hashishi is a direct reference to Genesis 1:31.

Yom haShishi, (with the definite article), is a direct reference to Gen1:31, and throughout Gen1 none of the other days of creation in that passage have the article attached: only the sixth day has the article, "Yom haShishi", and of course the seventh day which follows also has the article, ("Yom haShebii", Gen2:2).

1) Yom Echad
2) Yom Sheni
3) Yom Shlishi
4) Yom Rebii
5) Yom Chamishi
6) Yom haShishi
7) Yom haShebii

Thus even Exodus 16, in the Hebrew in which it is written, refers the reader back to the creation account in Gen1 wherein the days of creation are not based on the sun and moon but on the Yom-Light of Meshiah, (even according to Paul in 2Cor4:6).
 

genuineoriginal

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Incorrect. It says in Chapter 16 which days they collected the manna on, you must have missed it or not read it.
You failed to address the problem with your statements about which days of the week are the Sabbath (seventh) days.

And Sabbaths are on days 8, 15, 22 & 29 each lunar month.
What happens to the days between the 29th day of the month and the second day of the next month?
Are they counted as some of the six days when work is to be done?
Are they tacked onto the beginning of the next week, making an eight day or a nine day week at the beginning of each month, like this?

Eight days shall work be done and the ninth day shall be the Sabbath?
FirstSecondThirdFourthFifthSixthSeventhEighthNinth/Sabbath
April 15
Nisan 30
April 16
Iyyar 1
April 17
Iyyar 2
April 18
Iyyar 3
April 19
Iyyar 4
April 20
Iyyar 5
April 21
Iyyar 6
April 22
Iyyar 7
April 23
Iyyar 8
Seven days shall work be done and the eighth shall be the Sabbath?
FirstSecondThirdFourthFifthSixthSeventhEighth/Sabbath
May 15
Sivan 1
May 16
Sivan 2
May 17
Sivan 3
May 18
Sivan 4
May 19
Sivan 5
May 20
Sivan 6
May 21
Sivan 7
May 22
Sivan 8
 

daqq

Well-known member
You failed to address the problem with your statements about which days of the week are the Sabbath (seventh) days.


What happens to the days between the 29th day of the month and the second day of the next month?
Are they counted as some of the six days when work is to be done?
Are they tacked onto the beginning of the next week, making an eight day or a nine day week at the beginning of each month, like this?

Eight days shall work be done and the ninth day shall be the Sabbath?
FirstSecondThirdFourthFifthSixthSeventhEighthNinth/Sabbath
April 15
Nisan 30
April 16
Iyyar 1
April 17
Iyyar 2
April 18
Iyyar 3
April 19
Iyyar 4
April 20
Iyyar 5
April 21
Iyyar 6
April 22
Iyyar 7
April 23
Iyyar 8
Seven days shall work be done and the eighth shall be the Sabbath?
FirstSecondThirdFourthFifthSixthSeventhEighth/Sabbath
May 15
Sivan 1
May 16
Sivan 2
May 17
Sivan 3
May 18
Sivan 4
May 19
Sivan 5
May 20
Sivan 6
May 21
Sivan 7
May 22
Sivan 8

Here are a couple more which he likely will not answer:

1) How do you count seven Sabbaths and one day to make fifty days to Shabuot-Pentecost? On a lunar Sabbath calendar it cannot be done: you will always end up with a count of fifty-one or fifty-two days counting seven Sabbaths in a row, complete, and adding a day. So what do they do? They say that the scripture supposedly means to count seven Sabbaths and then add fifty more days beyond the seventh Sabbath. :chuckle:

2) The "last great day of the feast" in John 7:37 is Shmini Atzeret, the 22nd of the seventh month, which the lunar sabbatarians say is always a Sabbath. But the next chapter is a continuance of the same passage: the Master goes out to the mount of Olives and the very next morning returns to the temple to teach, (Joh8:1-2). At the end of that chapter they are about to stone him, but he conceals himself, passes through their midst, and goes his way: and as he departs from the temple he sees a man blind from his birth, (Joh9:1). He then heals this blind man blind on the 23rd, the day after Shmini Atzeret, and guess what? It is the Sabbath, (Joh9:14). So right here in this passage we have the last great day of the feast of Sukkot, the 22nd of the seventh month: and the very next day is a weekly Sabbath, and it is the 23rd of the seventh month. There are two schools of lunar sabbatarians: the one says that the Sabbaths always fall on the 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th, while Watchman's club teaches that the Sabbaths always fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th, and neither camp can account for the above New Testament evidence, (and some do not even know it exists). :chuckle:
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

New member
Your answer to the question is "incorrect"? How is that an answer and not evasion? If the calendar which was posted is incorrect according to you then why not post what you believe is the correct version of the calendar and answer the simple question? Do you need confusion in order for your calendar to sound acceptable to others? There is no doubt that your version of the calendar inserts days at the end of every month because the lunar cycle is approximately equal to 29.5 days and that is not a number which is divisible by seven, (pretty much everyone knows that 4x7=28, lol). The scripture plainly says, paraphrased, because it is said in more than one place in several ways, "Six days shall work be done but the seventh day is the Sabbath", and there is nowhere that the Sabbath is ever tied to the lunar cycle in any way: in fact the Sabbath is always tied to the creation week if anything at all, and yet what most people interpret as "the sun and moon", (the greater light and the lesser light), were not even created until the fourth day. If therefore you believe that the sun and moon were created in the fourth day, Gen1:14,15,16, then you have the seventh day being only the third day after the sun and moon were created. Thus, in your version of what appears to be a strictly lunar calendar, you have the moon being created in the fourth day of creation and the first Sabbath falling only three days later. :dizzy:

Incorrect, the days on which the manna was collect is in the OP. You have missed it or not read it.
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

New member
Here are a couple more which he likely will not answer:

1) How do you count seven Sabbaths and one day to make fifty days to Shabuot-Pentecost? On a lunar Sabbath calendar it cannot be done: you will always end up with a count of fifty-one or fifty-two days counting seven Sabbaths in a row, complete, and adding a day. So what do they do? They say that the scripture supposedly means to count seven Sabbaths and then add fifty more days beyond the seventh Sabbath. :chuckle:

2) The "last great day of the feast" in John 7:37 is Shmini Atzeret, the 22nd of the seventh month, which the lunar sabbatarians say is always a Sabbath. But the next chapter is a continuance of the same passage: the Master goes out to the mount of Olives and the very next morning returns to the temple to teach, (Joh8:1-2). At the end of that chapter they are about to stone him, but he conceals himself, passes through their midst, and goes his way: and as he departs from the temple he sees a man blind from his birth, (Joh9:1). He then heals this blind man blind on the 23rd, the day after Shmini Atzeret, and guess what? It is the Sabbath, (Joh9:14). So right here in this passage we have the last great day of the feast of Sukkot, the 22nd of the seventh month: and the very next day is a weekly Sabbath, and it is the 23rd of the seventh month. There are two schools of lunar sabbatarians: the one says that the Sabbaths always fall on the 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th, while Watchman's club teaches that the Sabbaths always fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th, and neither camp can account for the above New Testament evidence, (and some do not even know it exists). :chuckle:

Please stick to the OP. Derailing threads is against TOL rules.
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

New member
You failed to address the problem with your statements about which days of the week are the Sabbath (seventh) days.


What happens to the days between the 29th day of the month and the second day of the next month?
Are they counted as some of the six days when work is to be done?
Are they tacked onto the beginning of the next week, making an eight day or a nine day week at the beginning of each month, like this?

Eight days shall work be done and the ninth day shall be the Sabbath?
FirstSecondThirdFourthFifthSixthSeventhEighthNinth/Sabbath
April 15
Nisan 30
April 16
Iyyar 1
April 17
Iyyar 2
April 18
Iyyar 3
April 19
Iyyar 4
April 20
Iyyar 5
April 21
Iyyar 6
April 22
Iyyar 7
April 23
Iyyar 8
Seven days shall work be done and the eighth shall be the Sabbath?
FirstSecondThirdFourthFifthSixthSeventhEighth/Sabbath
May 15
Sivan 1
May 16
Sivan 2
May 17
Sivan 3
May 18
Sivan 4
May 19
Sivan 5
May 20
Sivan 6
May 21
Sivan 7
May 22
Sivan 8

Incorrect, the days on which the manna was collect is in the OP. You have missed it or not read it.
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

New member
Moreover you must have missed what was already said to you in your own thread:



Yom haShishi, (with the definite article), is a direct reference to Gen1:31, and throughout Gen1 none of the other days of creation in that passage have the article attached: only the sixth day has the article, "Yom haShishi", and of course the seventh day which follows also has the article, ("Yom haShebii", Gen2:2).

1) Yom Echad
2) Yom Sheni
3) Yom Shlishi
4) Yom Rebii
5) Yom Chamishi
6) Yom haShishi
7) Yom haShebii

Thus even Exodus 16, in the Hebrew in which it is written, refers the reader back to the creation account in Gen1 wherein the days of creation are not based on the sun and moon but on the Yom-Light of Meshiah, (even according to Paul in 2Cor4:6).

Incorrect, the days on which the manna was collect is in the OP. You have missed it or not read it.
 

genuineoriginal

New member
Incorrect. It says in Chapter 16 which days they collected the manna on, you must have missed it or not read it.
Incorrect, the days on which the manna was collect is in the OP. You have missed it or not read it.
Don't tell me "Incorrect" and refuse to address the problem you you presented in the OP here:
26Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any.”

Day 22 in month 2 was a Sabbath and day 22 in month 1 was a Sabbath, which can only be achived if Sabbaths were calculated from new moon day.
and here:
And Sabbaths are on days 8, 15, 22 & 29 each lunar month.
I am asking you what to do with the extra days between the 29th of the month and the 2nd of the month.
Are those extra days Sabbath days when manna is not supposed to be gathered?
Are those extra days counted twice so the six days to gather becomes seven or eight days?
Fix the problem with gathering on six days and not gathering on the seventh day when your calendar adds 1 or 2 extra days before the second day of the month that do not fit the schedule for manna gathering.
 

daqq

Well-known member
Please stick to the OP. Derailing threads is against TOL rules.

False accusation and lying. Please address the answers to your OP. Just because you do not agree with them does not mean they are derailing your thread. If that were the case there is no need for this place because debate is not allowed: just post that you agree with Watchman or move along. Lying is also against the TOL rules.
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

New member
Don't tell me "Incorrect" and refuse to address the problem you you presented in the OP here:

and here:

I am asking you what to do with the extra days between the 29th of the month and the 2nd of the month.
Are those extra days Sabbath days when manna is not supposed to be gathered?
Are those extra days counted twice so the six days to gather becomes seven or eight days?
Fix the problem with gathering on six days and not gathering on the seventh day when your calendar adds 1 or 2 extra days before the second day of the month that do not fit the schedule for manna gathering.

The OP what is to be addressed. On what days was the manna collected?
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

New member
False accusation and lying. Please address the answers to your OP. Just because you do not agree with them does not mean they are derailing your thread. If that were the case there is no need for this place because debate is not allowed: just post that you agree with Watchman or move along. Lying is also against the TOL rules.

The OP what is to be addressed. On what days was the manna collected?
 

daqq

Well-known member
The OP what is to be addressed. On what days was the manna collected?

You already responded to the answer and said, again, "incorrect".

Moreover you must have missed what was already said to you in your own thread:

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Originally Posted by daqq
How do you suppose that Moses knew the "flesh" would come first and that it would be in the evening, (first, before the morning)? The Father does not mention those things in Exodus 16 before Moses makes the claim; so how did Moses know? It is because of the phrase "ba-yom ha-shishi", and that is significant because the sixth day of the creation is the only day, (of the six days of creation), containing the article in that manner, (yom ha-shishi). That means that Moses knows what he knows from what is already stated in Gen1:31.

Exodus 16:3-8 KJV
3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.
4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day
["bayom hashishi"] they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
6 And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the LORD hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:
7 And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the LORD; for that he heareth your murmurings against the LORD: and what are we, that ye murmur against us?
8 And Moses said, This shall be, when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the LORD.


See what I mean? The Father said nothing in this passage, (Exo16:4-5), about evening, (or "flesh"), but Moses knows it from what was said to him because yom hashishi is a direct reference to Genesis 1:31.


Yom haShishi, (with the definite article), is a direct reference to Gen1:31, and throughout Gen1 none of the other days of creation in that passage have the article attached: only the sixth day has the article, "Yom haShishi", and of course the seventh day which follows also has the article, ("Yom haShebii", Gen2:2).

1) Yom Echad
2) Yom Sheni
3) Yom Shlishi
4) Yom Rebii
5) Yom Chamishi
6) Yom haShishi
7) Yom haShebii

Thus even Exodus 16, in the Hebrew in which it is written, refers the reader back to the creation account in Gen1 wherein the days of creation are not based on the sun and moon but on the Yom-Light of Meshiah, (even according to Paul in 2Cor4:6).
Incorrect, the days on which the manna was collect is in the OP. You have missed it or not read it.

The answer was right there in front of you:

1) Yom Echad
2) Yom Sheni
3) Yom Shlishi
4) Yom Rebii
5) Yom Chamishi
6) Yom haShishi

You yourself have missed it or not read it.
 

daqq

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Originally Posted by daqq
Here are a couple more which he likely will not answer:

1) How do you count seven Sabbaths and one day to make fifty days to Shabuot-Pentecost? On a lunar Sabbath calendar it cannot be done: you will always end up with a count of fifty-one or fifty-two days counting seven Sabbaths in a row, complete, and adding a day. So what do they do? They say that the scripture supposedly means to count seven Sabbaths and then add fifty more days beyond the seventh Sabbath. :chuckle:

2) The "last great day of the feast" in John 7:37 is Shmini Atzeret, the 22nd of the seventh month, which the lunar sabbatarians say is always a Sabbath. But the next chapter is a continuance of the same passage: the Master goes out to the mount of Olives and the very next morning returns to the temple to teach, (Joh8:1-2). At the end of that chapter they are about to stone him, but he conceals himself, passes through their midst, and goes his way: and as he departs from the temple he sees a man blind from his birth, (Joh9:1). He then heals this blind man blind on the 23rd, the day after Shmini Atzeret, and guess what? It is the Sabbath, (Joh9:14). So right here in this passage we have the last great day of the feast of Sukkot, the 22nd of the seventh month: and the very next day is a weekly Sabbath, and it is the 23rd of the seventh month. There are two schools of lunar sabbatarians: the one says that the Sabbaths always fall on the 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th, while Watchman's club teaches that the Sabbaths always fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th, and neither camp can account for the above New Testament evidence, (and some do not even know it exists). :chuckle:
Please stick to the OP. Derailing threads is against TOL rules.

Moreover what I said in #2, which you quoted, is directly related to the OP because you claim in the OP that the third Sabbath of every month always falls on the 22nd of the month. However that cannot be true because of what I said from the scripture:

2) The "last great day of the feast" in John 7:37 is Shmini Atzeret, the 22nd of the seventh month, which the lunar sabbatarians say is always a Sabbath. But the next chapter is a continuance of the same passage: the Master goes out to the mount of Olives and the very next morning returns to the temple to teach, (Joh8:1-2). At the end of that chapter they are about to stone him, but he conceals himself, passes through their midst, and goes his way: and as he departs from the temple he sees a man blind from his birth, (Joh9:1). He then heals this blind man blind on the 23rd, the day after Shmini Atzeret, and guess what? It is the Sabbath, (Joh9:14). So right here in this passage we have the last great day of the feast of Sukkot, the 22nd of the seventh month: and the very next day is a weekly Sabbath, and it is the 23rd of the seventh month. There are two schools of lunar sabbatarians: the one says that the Sabbaths always fall on the 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th, while Watchman's club teaches that the Sabbaths always fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th, and neither camp can account for the above New Testament evidence, (and some do not even know it exists).

There should be no doubt that the last great day of Sukkot-Tabernacles is the eighth day of the feast, as you yourself know and claim, and you know full well that the eighth day of the feast is the 22nd of the month, and you have also already claimed that it is a weekly Sabbath. You are flat out wrong because of what is written in the Gospel of John: it cannot be a weekly Sabbath because the very next day is the Sabbath according to the Gospel of John:

John 7:2 KJV
2 Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand.

John 7:14 KJV
14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.


Then comes the 22nd of the seventh month:

John 7:37 KJV (Shmini Atzeret, the eighth day of Tabernacles)
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

John 7:53 KJV
53 And every man went unto his own house.


Then comes the very next day which is the 23rd of the seventh month:

John 8:1-2 KJV
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.


Then at the end of the discourse they take up stones to stone him and he leaves:

John 8:59 KJV
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.


And as the Master passes by, going out of the temple, he sees the man blind from birth:

John 9:1 KJV
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.


And then he heals the blind man:

John 9:5-7 KJV
5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.


This is no doubt the 23rd of the seventh month and it is the Sabbath:

John 9:14-16 KJV
14 And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
15 Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.
16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.


You therefore cannot be correct, and neither can your calendar be correct, because you and the calendar you are promoting both claim that the 22nd day of every month is a weekly Sabbath: and yet we clearly see in the above passage that the 22nd of the seventh month is the last great day of the feast of Tabernacles, just as the scripture teaches in the Torah, (the eighth day of Sukkot-Tabernacles), and the very next day, which is the 23rd of the seventh month, is a weekly Sabbath!

This has everything to do with your false claims in the OP.
 
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