WatchmanOnTheWall
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When does the Biblical month begin?
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According to these verses it starts with the sighting of the new moon:
1 Samuel 20:18 + 24-27
18 Then Jonathan said to David, “Tomorrow is the New Moon feast [Day1] . You will be missed, because your seat will be empty.
24 So David hid in the field, and when the New Moon feast came [Day1], the king sat down to eat. 25 He sat in his customary place by the wall, opposite Jonathan, and Abner sat next to Saul, but David’s place was empty. 26 Saul said nothing that day, for he thought, “Something must have happened to David to make him ceremonially unclean,20 surely he is unclean.” 27 But the next day, the second day of the month, [Day2] David’s place was empty again. Then Saul said to his son Jonathan, “Why hasn’t the son of Jesse come to the meal, either yesterday or today?”
This had to be the visible new moon which can be seen by the naked eye when there is just enough light on the moon to be seen as the first crescent of the waxing moon. It could not be the astronomical new moon as this cannot be seen by the naked eye.
However, the modern Jewish calendar sometimes has the month beginning on the astronomical new moon, such as today, the 16th of February, as can be seen in this link: https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd...&gy=2018&g2h=1
But as you can see it is the astronomical new moon is on the 16th of February:
The reason why this is so is because the modern Jewish calendar was invented by Jewish Rabbi Hillel II in 359 AD and he used the 19 year repeating lunar cycle known as the Metonic cycle, (named after the Greek astronomer Meton of Athens) to approximate when the observable new moon is but it is only correct about half the time.
This proves that the modern Jewish calendar is man made and was only designed to replicate God's original Calendar that He gave to Moses and which Jesus also used. The reason why this is important is because all of the feasts Jesus fulfilled were calculated using God's original Calendar, such as:
Passover = Easter
Shavuot = Pentecost
Tabernacles = Harvest Festival
These were the three most important feasts in the year:
Deuteronomy 16:16
Three times a year all your men must appear before the LORD your God at the place he will choose:
1. Passover = Easter - FULFILLED BY JESUS
2. Shavuot = Pentecost - FULFILLED BY JESUS
3. Tabernacles = Harvest festival -TO BE FULFILLED BY JESUS AT HIS SECOND COMING!
And that is why this subject should be so important to Christians.
We already had this discussion and you therefore should already know that moon is not found anywhere in the texts you have quoted, (1Samuel 20:18, 24-27). The greater light and the lesser light are made for signs, and moadim, and yamim, and shanim. The signs are given by the Father, and placed in the hand of Moses in Exo4:2-9, and Moses is not just commanded to perform the signs before the people, (who would believe), but also before Pharaoh, (whose heart would be hardened, Exo4:21-23). At the right hand of Moshe is Ahron like the sun: at his left hand, seven yamim, and moon white as snow, and the waters turn to blood.
You cannot see the signs, O prophet? :chuckle:
As I said to you before: the word therein is חדש, (H2320, Hodesh or Chodesh).
The word for moon is ירח, (H3394, Yareach).
The word for a month is based on yareach.
It is not Samuel or David or Yonathan who are lying or insane: and since you have already been shown this, and reject the truth in favor of your favorite English translations, it is you who is lying or insane. Again, a Hodesh is neither 29 days, nor 30 days, nor 31 days, nor a month, nor what you consider to be the new moon because you do not understand from the Torah what is a new moon because you imagine it to be the black moon. This immediately gets right back to what has already been shown to you about a "hodesh of yamim", and what is a yom according to Gen1, Num7, and the Testimony of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts, and one of the multiple plural forms of yom, that is, yamim: all of these things which you have already mocked and lambasted to your own hardheartedness and blindness. The veil over your heart, mind, and eyes when you read these things will not be removed until your heart is turned toward the Father and His Word because the understanding is only made available though and in the Testimony of the Messiah, (as Paul teaches in 2Cor3:14-16 KJV, the veil is only done away in Messiah).
Oh I can read alright, and that is precisely what I am getting at: your OP is 180 degrees opposite the truth, and the passages which reveal it have already been discussed with you, and you rejected them in favor of your paradigm-calendar-gods which are no gods at all but based on the natural and beggarly elements of the cosmos despite what both Moses and Paul warn you about, (also already discussed with you).
Have a nice thread: I will leave you to your delusion.
That isn't me but again, Paul, as already discussed elsewhere, (Gal4:8,9,10,11, Dt4:19, 17:3). Your calendar by its very definition serves and honors the sun and the moon: all one needs to do is look at the image file you have posted herein with the phases of the moon. The sun and moon are not named as the greater light and the lesser light luminaries of Gen1, and they also are not the signs given to Moses, which lead up to the Rishon Hodesh and the Passover in the opening chapters of the Book of Exodus. Scrap what you think you know and start over because, like the fallen watchers of Enoch, you have received a reprobate mystery. :chuckle:
Moreover you speak disingenuously and in falsehood, and should have known that what you say is untrue because of what I said above herein, ("The word for a month is based on yareach", (the moon)), and because of what I have said to you before, for which you called me an idiot for believing the scripture:
And again, sorry for your luck, pseudo-prophet of the left hand side. And now, please stop making statements which you know to be false so that I can leave you to your delusion.
The month of Adar (month 12) starts this evening with the first light being seen over Jerusalem on the new moon:
But for 'Jews' like [MENTION=5582]Jacob[/MENTION] it started yesterday on the astronomical new moon that cannot even be seen: https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=16&gm=2&gy=2018&g2h=1
The reason why this is so is because the modern Jewish calendar was invented by Jewish Rabbi Hillel II in 359 AD and he used the 19 year repeating lunar cycle known as the Metonic cycle, (named after the Greek astronomer Meton of Athens) to approximate when the observable new moon is but it is only correct about half the time.
This proves that the modern Jewish calendar is man made and was only designed to replicate God's original Calendar that He gave to Moses and which Jesus also used. The reason why this is important is because all of the feasts Jesus fulfilled were calculated using God's original Calendar, such as:
Passover = Easter
Shavuot = Pentecost
Tabernacles = Harvest Festival
These were the three most important feasts in the year:
Deuteronomy 16:16
Three times a year all your men must appear before the LORD your God at the place he will choose:
1. Passover = Easter - FULFILLED BY JESUS
2. Shavuot = Pentecost - FULFILLED BY JESUS
3. Tabernacles = Harvest festival -TO BE FULFILLED BY JESUS AT HIS SECOND COMING!
And that is why this subject should be so important to Christians.
Shalom.
Today is Rishon, 12-3.
Shalom.
Jacob
Yes on the man made calendar that started on the astronomical new moon. :chuckle:
Shalom.
I do not observe your calendar and I do not know why you have chosen to communicate Chuckle.
Shalom.
Jacob
I do not know how to verify your words. Meaning, this has not been verified to me.
The first month, according to the Torah, is Aviv. I do not know what the words in your post are saying.
I do my Daily Torah Study at Chabad.org. The kippah that I am wearing was given to me as a gift when I visited Chabad.
Shalom.
Jacob
I do not know what you are talking about or what you are referring to.
I did not read your article the last time you presented it to me.
Do not do something you do not feel comfortable doing.
You don't know what I said, told you.
I am sorry but I was not necessarily taught about Rosh Hashanah in learning about the three annual feasts and the seven holy days of Torah and becoming Torah Observant.
Shalom.
Today is Shlishli (Third), 12-5.
Incorrect. Rosh Hashanah is not one of the seven holy days of Torah.
Shalom.
Jacob
You are incorrect about both. I addressed your two day progression in one day already. Rosh Hashanah is said by some to be one of the seven holy days of the Torah, but it is not found in the Torah.
Shalom.
Jacob
Shalom.
Today is Revi'i, 12-6, evening and night.
Have you read the Hebrew or did someone tell you that this is Rosh Hashanah? My Chumash does say Rosh Hashanah, though not in the Hebrew or the English text.
I do not know why you have said what you have said here. It is probably common teaching.
Shalom.
Jacob
I quoted your post and your comments on the scripture. It is this that I was responding to in my reply.
Shalom.
Jacob