Which Institution is >: Marriage or national government?
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HisServant
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God left it to be regulated by Israels government.... marriage was not a religious thing to him.
There is no indication that things have changed... what non-christian's do is none of our concern.
There is no indication that things have changed... what non-christian's do is none of our concern.
HisServant,
That is a very insightful comment. In the last book of the New Testament God goes to war with the World. He seems to be attacking all institutions except for one, marriage.
There is a passage that says they were marrying and giving in marriage until they were taken away. In this verse God does not attack marriage. Instead He attacks those who would abuse it.
My take is that Marriage is superior to all forms of government. And that the institution of marriage will out last all other institutions.
The Church as an institution will cease by being swallowed up in marriage to the Lamb. The Church will become the Bride of Christ. Never to be know as 'church' once the marriage is consummated.
That is a very insightful comment. In the last book of the New Testament God goes to war with the World. He seems to be attacking all institutions except for one, marriage.
There is a passage that says they were marrying and giving in marriage until they were taken away. In this verse God does not attack marriage. Instead He attacks those who would abuse it.
My take is that Marriage is superior to all forms of government. And that the institution of marriage will out last all other institutions.
The Church as an institution will cease by being swallowed up in marriage to the Lamb. The Church will become the Bride of Christ. Never to be know as 'church' once the marriage is consummated.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Much can be said about retaining God in our knowledge.
How true. But
All of our knowledge about God always ends in failure.
Even the greatest of all institutions, the institution of marriage 100% ends. If nothing else, marriage ends in the death of the participant(s). This is failure.
Finally earthly marriage can only represent something else.
If marriage is a reality then it must be other-worldly. It is spirit. It cannot be physical.
Bradley D
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Marriage goes back to Adam and Eve. God intended couples to be a help and an aid to each other (Gen, 2:18). The word "cleave" means to abide and keep close together. It also includes loyalty, devotion, and affection (Gen. 2:24). I believe that is what God intended by Marriage.
Your post contains a lot of wisdom. But the fact is that the marriage between Adam and Eve resulted in great evil. Shall we list the results?
Instead, we should ignore Adam and Eve. Their story is a terrible example. Here is our example
Christ gave His life for the Church. He loves the Church. He is going to make the Church His bride. He will never leave us or forsake us. Once we have become His bride then everything is going to change. We will reign over everything in Heaven and on Earth.
HisServant
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When Jesus and the Apostles preached, polygamy was the norm and marriage was the way a lot of lazy men got rich (off women's dowry's).
Most of the 'biblical' teachings of marriage I see today do not even acknowledge what Jesus was actually responding to and who he was talking to and then proving their case that what Jesus said is still applicable today.
In the end, we can blame the 'religiosity' of marriage to the RCC when it invaded all parts of society and imposed its flawed morals and sacraments on all of Europe.
Also, for a lot of people, divorce seems to be the only unpardonable sin to them in spite of the fact that God knows we are human and forgive us all if we repent.
Anyhow, whatever our government says about marriage should be inconsequential to us, unless it is imposed on us and violates our beliefs.
On a side note, God destroyed Sodom for failing to protect and help the poor in spite of all its riches.... doesn't that sound like America right now?
Self obsession and idle hands are what lead to wickedness.
While it is tempting to ignore what the government does, really if we as Christians opt out then our enemies will take control of the government and use it to try to destroy us.
Also as Christians what do you think we should be teaching our children concerning divorce since they will probably be getting at least one in their life time?
HisServant
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Our duty in this country is to vote and obey the government according to scripture. If we want the same sex court decision overturned, the only recourse is a constitutional amendment.
As far as divorce, an individual should not ask for a divorce unless it is due to adultery or abandonment. If your spouse wants one and leaves you, you should give it to them. At that point you are free to remarry or do whatever you want.
Marriage is something that should never be a goal as a christian.. it is a secondary state.
As far as divorce, an individual should not ask for a divorce unless it is due to adultery or abandonment. If your spouse wants one and leaves you, you should give it to them. At that point you are free to remarry or do whatever you want.
Marriage is something that should never be a goal as a christian.. it is a secondary state.
Bradley D
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Jesus actually taught it is better not be married if one can.
"The disciples said to Him, 'If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.' But He said to them, 'Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.” (Matthew 19:10-12).
The Apostle Paul also believed it was better not to married if one could.
"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband" (1 Cor. 7:1-2).
"The disciples said to Him, 'If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.' But He said to them, 'Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.” (Matthew 19:10-12).
The Apostle Paul also believed it was better not to married if one could.
"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband" (1 Cor. 7:1-2).
No Fault Divorce says that you can put your spouse away for any reason or for no reason at all.
I totally agree with your last post.
There is a reason why it is better not to marry. You may not agree with my reasoning but here it is
Marriage is a test.
Here is the test
Any government that takes the position on marriage that the United States Government has taken has failed the test.
Therefore
The United States Government is now suspect.
HisServant
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Yes they made it easy so that lawyers would get paid... that doesn't mean you have to take advantage of it.
The problem with a Constitutional amendment is that there are to many people, (like lawyers and judges) who refuse to abide by our Christian morale values. Here is what must be done
The power of the United States must be curtailed.
You can't have immoral people in possession of the kind of power that Christian America has. That power must be taken away. That means the U.S.A. Must become a third world nation. The kind of nation that the United Nations organization tells the U.S. what it can and cannot do.