Who were the wise men? And are you?

WatchmanOnTheWall

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Daniel knew the 70 years of captivity were coming to and end and prayed:

Daniel 9
1In the first year of Darius son of Xerxesa (a Mede by descent), who was made ruler over the Babylonian kingdom— 2in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, understood from the Scriptures, according to the word of the Lord given to Jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of Jerusalem would last seventy years. 3So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Gabriel then appears and tells Daniel that the Messiah (meaning anointed one) will come to Jerusalem after 483 years from when an order would be given to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem:

Daniel 9:25
"Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.

Daniel died a very rich man not long after this and left a great fortune to his friends as he had no family, his friends were the likes of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego who were also wise men:

Daniel 2
48Then the king placed Daniel in a high position and lavished many gifts on him. He made him ruler over the entire province of Babylon and placed him in charge of all its wise men. 49Moreover, at Daniel’s request the king appointed Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego administrators over the province of Babylon, while Daniel himself remained at the royal court.

Daniel 10:10-12
10 The astrologers answered the king, “There is no one on earth who can do what the king asks! No king, however great and mighty, has ever asked such a thing of any magician or enchanter or astrologer. 11 What the king asks is too difficult. No one can reveal it to the king except the gods, and they do not live among humans.” 12 This made the king so angry, and furious that he ordered the execution of all the wise men of Babylon

While many Jews returned to Jerusalem after the 70 years many chose to stay in Babylon including many of the wise men like Daniel. Darius later died in the 21st year of his reign and his son Artaxerxes became king. Then in Artaxerxes 20th year in the month of Nissan (Aviv) he gave an order to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem. The prophesy had begun and the wise men continued to wait, generation after generation. Then about 30 years before the prophesy was about to be fulfilled the wise men began to notice a number of astronomical events that were fulling scripture because as shown the wise men included astronomers.

The first astronomical event was a triple conjunction of the king planet Jupiter, over the king star Regulus, in the king constellation of Leo (during retrograde motion), on the 14/9/3BC, 17/2/2BC & 8/5/2BC, right over Jerusalem in the east. They had never seen this before because it only happens about every 90 years.

The next astronomical event was the occulation of the king planet Jupiter and the mother planet Venus on the 17/6/2BC when they appeared to touch each other and formed the brightest star ever seen from the middle east in all of human history and again it was right over Jerusalem. This fulfilled the following prophesys:

Psalm 65:8
Those living far away fear your wonders; where morning dawns and evening fades you call forth songs of joy.

Numbers 24:17
I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a sceptre will rise out of Israel.

Genesis 49:9-10
9 You are a lion’s cub, Judah; you return from the prey, my son. Like a lion he crouches, and lies down, like a lioness, who dares to rouse him? 10 The sceptre will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet. He will crush the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the people of Sheth.

(Regulus is between the feet of Leo)

This is what set the wise men on their way to worship the one who was to be born the king of the Jews:

Matthew 2:1-2
1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw His star when it rose, and have come to worship him.”

While they had been travelling to Jerusalem Jupiter had progressed in the nights sky and appeared to stop over Bethlehem (as seen from Jerusalem) in another retrograde motion:

Matthew 2:9-11
9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose, went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down, and worshipped him. Then they opened their treasures, and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Jesus was a 15 month old child now and Jupiter had appeared to stop for 6 days 22-30/12/2BC (Christmas) which was also Hanukkah.

30 years later at Aviv 29BC exactly 483 years from when the order to rebuild the walls were given, Jesus enter Jerusalem and over turned the tables and drove out the animals at the beginning of His ministry.

Daniel was given the date of Jesus' first coming and was a date setter.

The Bible also tell us when His second coming will be too:

1 Thessalonians 5:4 – “You’re not in darkness for that day to surprise you like a thief.”

And:

Amos 3:7 – Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

And:

Deuteronomy 16:16 – Three times a year all your men must appear before the LORD your God at the place he will choose:

Passover : Fulfilled by Jesus

Pentecost : Fulfilled by Jesus

Tabernacles : To be Fulfilled…

Jesus actually fulfilled 10 out of 12 Jewish Holy days and is beyond coincidence. Therefore He must return on the ones He has yet to fulfil, this will be the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles that celebrates the harvest. Many know it as Harvest festival and it alludes to the great harvest of souls at the end of age. I hope and pray you can see and believe this and will not be like the Jews who missed His first coming by not recognising all the signs.

When Jesus said ‘no one knows the day’ He said it in the present tense, He did not say no one would ever know (Amos 3:7) and Jesus also alluded to the fact that He would fulfil Tabernacles at a later time:

John 7:2 & 8 – But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, [Jesus said] “You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.”

Jesus then purposefully misses the feast of Tabernacles which is on day 15 of month 7 and lasts 8 days. However, Jesus does turn up after having deliberately missed this specific day:

John 7:10 & 14 – But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then Jesus also went up, not publicly but in secret. About halfway through the feast Jesus went up into the temple and began teaching.

You can find out when Jesus is coming here: http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-in-2022-and-Jesus-returns-in-2029&highlight=
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall

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"Until evening-morning two thousand and three hundred: and the holy-place-sanctuary shall be set-right-cleansed", Daniel 8:14, (10 Abib, Matthew 21:12,13,14).

That was fulfilled at the first Hanukkah in 168 BC and is nothing to do with the 483 year prophesy given to Daniel that I was referring to.
 

daqq

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That was fulfilled at the first Hanukkah in 168 BC and is nothing to do with the 483 year prophesy given to Daniel that I was referring to.

You::madmad:

Me::Nineveh:

Just because you claim it speaks of years and think you have it figured out with your calculator and calendar does not make it so. The entire section from chapters eight through twelve speaks of one great vision but is broken up into sections, (and sealed from your eyes, until you are broken, and offer up true repentance). Dan8:17-19 corresponds to Dan9:20-22 and Dan10:9-11, which are all the same event, and which event occurs at the time of the evening oblation: which is the ninth hour and the last of the three daily hours of prayer, (the third, the sixth, and the ninth hours are the hours of the prayer times, see also Dan6:10 and Dan6:5, for this is the true understanding of the Torah just as the passage teaches).

Daniel 8:26
26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is established-truth: you therefore shut up the vision, for it is unto yamim rabbim.


Lol, and we have already discussed yamim rabbim, and you again mocked and scoffed at the Word of Elohim: and therefore the veil that is over your heart and mind and eyes when you read these things remains; and that veil can only be removed by way of and IN the Testimony of Messiah which is found in the Gospel accounts, dear Nineveh, who does not know his right hand from his left. :Nineveh: :chuckle:
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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Just because you claim it speaks of years and think you have it figured out with your calculator and calendar does not make it so. The entire section from chapters eight through twelve speaks of one great vision but is broken up into sections, (and sealed from your eyes, until you are broken, and offer up true repentance).
:rotfl:Thanks for making laugh. You're so funny when you go into mad preacher mode.
Dan8:17-19 corresponds to Dan9:20-22 and Dan10:9-11, which are all the same event, and which event occurs at the time of the evening oblation: which is the ninth hour and the last of the three daily hours of prayer, (the third, the sixth, and the ninth hours are the hours of the prayer times, see also Dan6:10 and Dan6:5, for this is the true understanding of the Torah just as the passage teaches).

Daniel 8:26
26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is established-truth: you therefore shut up the vision, for it is unto yamim rabbim.


Lol, and we have already discussed yamim rabbim, and you again mocked and scoffed at the Word of Elohim: and therefore the veil that is over your heart and mind and eyes when you read these things remains; and that veil can only be removed by way of and IN the Testimony of Messiah which is found in the Gospel accounts, dear Nineveh, who does not know his right hand from his left. :Nineveh: :chuckle:

:blabla::yawn:
 

daqq

Well-known member
:rotfl:Thanks for making laugh. You're so funny when you go into mad preacher mode.

:blabla::yawn:

If you cannot even stay on-topic in your own threads then why do you report others for supposedly going off-topic after you have insulted them multiple times? Do you have no fear concerning what the Master says about how we will give an account for every idle word? And if you do not care what he says then why are you even here? Oh, that's right, wolfies love to wear sheepskins.
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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If you cannot even stay on-topic in your own threads then why do you report others for supposedly going off-topic after you have insulted them multiple times? Do you have no fear concerning what the Master says about how we will give an account for every idle word? And if you do not care what he says then why are you even here? Oh, that's right, wolfies love to wear sheepskins.

I cut you more slack than you deserve but that is because Christians are suppose to forgive and I forgive you, many times. :)
 

daqq

Well-known member
I cut you more slack than you deserve but that is because Christians are suppose to forgive and I forgive you, many times. :)

I do not believe for one minute that you are actually oblivious to your own thread topic: no, but rather you cannot discuss it with me because you already know that the scripture will prove you to be in error once again.

So, again, have a nice thread. :chuckle:

:loser:
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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I do not believe for one minute that you are actually oblivious to your own thread topic: no, but rather you cannot discuss it with me because you already know that the scripture will prove you to be in error once again.

So, again, have a nice thread. :chuckle:

:loser:

:yawn:
 

intojoy

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Daniel knew the 70 years of captivity were coming to and end and prayed:

Daniel 9
1In the first year of Darius son of Xerxesa (a Mede by descent), who was made ruler over the Babylonian kingdom— 2in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, understood from the Scriptures, according to the word of the Lord given to Jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of Jerusalem would last seventy years. 3So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

Gabriel then appears and tells Daniel that the Messiah (meaning anointed one) will come to Jerusalem after 483 years from when an order would be given to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem:

Daniel 9:25
"Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.

Daniel died a very rich man not long after this and left a great fortune to his friends as he had no family, his friends were the likes of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego who were also wise men:

Daniel 2
48Then the king placed Daniel in a high position and lavished many gifts on him. He made him ruler over the entire province of Babylon and placed him in charge of all its wise men. 49Moreover, at Daniel’s request the king appointed Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego administrators over the province of Babylon, while Daniel himself remained at the royal court.

While many Jews returned to Jerusalem after the 70 years many chose to stay in Babylon including many of the wise men like Daniel. Darius later died in the 21st year of his reign and his son Artaxerxes became king. Then in Artaxerxes 20th year in the month of Nissan (Aviv) he gave an order to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem. The prophesy had begun and the wise men continued to wait, generation after generation. Then about 30 years before the prophesy was about to be fulfilled the wise men began to notice a number of astronomical events that were fulling scripture because the wise men included astronomers:

Daniel 10:10-12
10 The astrologers answered the king, “There is no one on earth who can do what the king asks! No king, however great and mighty, has ever asked such a thing of any magician or enchanter or astrologer. 11 What the king asks is too difficult. No one can reveal it to the king except the gods, and they do not live among humans.” 12 This made the king so angry, and furious that he ordered the execution of all the wise men of Babylon.

The first astronomical event was a triple conjunction of the king planet Jupiter, over the king star Regulus, in the king constellation of Leo (during retrograde motion), on the 14/9/3BC, 17/2/2BC & 8/5/2BC, right over Jerusalem in the east. They had never seen this before because it only happens about every 90 years.

The next astronomical event was the occulation of the king planet Jupiter and the mother planet Venus on the 17/6/2BC when they appeared to touch each other and formed the brightest star ever seen from the middle east in all of human history and again it was right over Jerusalem. This fulfilled the following prophesys:

Psalm 65:8
Those living far away fear your wonders; where morning dawns and evening fades you call forth songs of joy.

Numbers 24:17
I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a sceptre will rise out of Israel.

Genesis 49:9-10
9 You are a lion’s cub, Judah; you return from the prey, my son. Like a lion he crouches, and lies down, like a lioness, who dares to rouse him? 10 The sceptre will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet. He will crush the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the people of Sheth.

(Regulus is between the feet of Leo)

This is what set the wise men on their way to worship the one who was to be born the king of the Jews:

Matthew 2:1-2
1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw His star when it rose, and have come to worship him.”

While they had been travelling to Jerusalem Jupiter had progressed in the nights sky and appeared to stop over Bethlehem (as seen from Jerusalem) in another retrograde motion:

Matthew 2:9-11
9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose, went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down, and worshipped him. Then they opened their treasures, and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Jesus was a 15 month old child now and Jupiter had appeared to stop for 6 days 22-30/12/2BC (Christmas) which was also Hanukkah.

30 years later at Aviv 29BC exactly 483 years from when the order to rebuild the walls were given, Jesus enter Jerusalem and over turned the tables and drove out the animals at the beginning of His ministry.

Daniel was given the date of Jesus' first coming and was a date setter.

The Bible also tell us when His second coming will be too:

1 Thessalonians 5:4 – “You’re not in darkness for that day to surprise you like a thief.”

And:

Amos 3:7 – Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

And:

Deuteronomy 16:16 – Three times a year all your men must appear before the LORD your God at the place he will choose:

Passover : Fulfilled by Jesus

Pentecost : Fulfilled by Jesus

Tabernacles : To be Fulfilled…

Jesus actually fulfilled 10 out of 12 Jewish Holy days and is beyond coincidence. Therefore He must return on the ones He has yet to fulfil, this will be the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles that celebrates the harvest. Many know it as Harvest festival and it alludes to the great harvest of souls at the end of age. I hope and pray you can see and believe this and will not be like the Jews who missed His first coming by not recognising all the signs.

When Jesus said ‘no one knows the day’ He said it in the present tense, He did not say no one would ever know (Amos 3:7) and Jesus also alluded to the fact that He would fulfil Tabernacles at a later time:

John 7:2 & 8 – But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, [Jesus said] “You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.”

Jesus then purposefully misses the feast of Tabernacles which is on day 15 of month 7 and lasts 8 days. However, Jesus does turn up after having deliberately missed this specific day:

John 7:10 & 14 – But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then Jesus also went up, not publicly but in secret. About halfway through the feast Jesus went up into the temple and began teaching.

You can find out when Jesus is coming here: http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-in-2022-and-Jesus-returns-in-2029&highlight=

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