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Creationists vs "Atheistical Darwinialistic evolutionalists"

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The gurus of India have their own cosmology, which they base on divine revelation. And theirs differs from yours, which is based on divine revelation. Who is right?

If the cosmology of the "gurus" of India does not agree with the cosmological truth that God has revealed in His Word, The Holy Bible, then why would you say, of the cosmology of these "gurus", that "they base [it] on divine revelation"?
 

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Below is an image of Supernova remnant G1.9+0.3:
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This supernova is located ~27,000 light years away from Earth, meaning that it takes at least 27,000 years for the light from this supernova to reach Earth. Try making any kind of scientific sense out of that with the assumption of a 6,000 year old universe.

But wait! It gets worse. This is a supernova, meaning that it is the remnants of an exploded star. Stars have very long lifespans. The largest stars have the shortest lifespans--as little as 10 million years, while smaller stars can last for around 10 billion years. So how did we get a supernova remnant from a dead star whose light takes over 27,000 years to reach us in a universe that is only 6,000 years old?

Your claim about how old stars are is based entirely on theory, not observational science. There are actually quite a few alternative theories all of which are quite valid scientifically but that aren't main stream and so get ignored. The point being that we do not actually know for a fact how long stars last or even what powers them.

As for the distance to distant objects, we don't really know that either. Red shift theory is in real trouble and has been for decades. Main stream science mostly just ignores the problems with it and just keeps on going as though the problems don't exist.There are some who try to explain the issue away but they typically are nothing other than ad hoc rescue devices (i.e. they aren't scientific).
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"On October 3, 2003, the Big Bang theory was falsified by direct observation. The galaxy NGC 7319 was measured to have a redshift of z = 0.0225. It is not uncommon for “nearby” galaxies to have redshifts below z = 1. However, a quasar was located in front of NGC 7319’s opaque gas clouds with an observed redshift of z = 2.114.

The two principle tenets of the Big Bang theory are that redshift is proportional to distance and that it is an indicator of velocity. The larger an object’s redshift the farther away it is and the faster it is moving away from the observer. Those two ideas provide the backdrop for the commonly held belief that the Universe is expanding.

According to the Big Bang, the NGC 7319 quasar “must be billions of light years farther away than the galaxy” because it has a higher redshift. Yet, since the galaxy is opaque, the quasar has to be in front of the galactic dust clouds and not shining through them.

“No one has found a quasar with such a high redshift, with a redshift of 2.11, so close to the center of an active galaxy,” said the late astronomer Geoffrey Burbidge at the time. The discovery team included his spouse, E. Margaret Burbidge, another noted astronomer. The find was significant because it is the most extreme example of a quasar in front of a galaxy with a lower redshift." - Stephen Smith




The above is by no means the only such example. There are dozens, perhaps hundreds. The unfortunate fact is that there isn't any way we know of for us to tell how far away these object are once they get passed the point where we can measure their parallax.

The bottom line is that the things you think you know are not the facts that modern science presents them to be. Evolution, whether cosmological or biological has become a religion and most of main stream science left the actual scientific method behind about a hundred years ago and trading observation with mathematical abstractions and computer models.

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Your claim about how old stars are is based entirely on theory, not observational science.

"Essentially, astronomers determine the age of stars by observing their spectrum, luminosity and motion through space. They use this information to get a star's profile, and then they compare the star to models that show what stars should look like at various points of their evolution." - https://www.universetoday.com/25038/age-of-stars/

Regardless, that has nothing to do with how far away the stars are, or how long it takes for their light to reach us.
 

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Observation: "...astronomers determine the age of stars by observing their spectrum, luminosity and motion through space."

"and then they compare the star to models that show what stars should look like at various points of their evolution."

The "observations" are "compared" with the UNOBSERVABLE.
 

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"Essentially, astronomers determine the age of stars by observing their spectrum, luminosity and motion through space. They use this information to get a star's profile, and then they compare the star to models that show what stars should look like at various points of their evolution." - https://www.universetoday.com/25038/age-of-stars/

Regardless, that has nothing to do with how far away the stars are, or how long it takes for their light to reach us.

I see. So you're debating this issue and have basically no knowledge at all about it whatsover! Lovely!

It's sort of funny though because from a certain perspective you're right, but in the opposite way you intend. Your own ignorance causes you to accidentally argue against your own position because the fact is that a star's spectrum, luminosity and motion through space probably doesn't have much at all to do with how far away the star is but that isn't the point. The point is that all of modern mainstream astronomical science is based upon the belief that it does! Meaning that your 17,000 light year argument is based on it!

Further, it is not valid to make any attempt to falsify the idea that the universe is created by looking at the nature of the universe, at least not in the manner you are trying to do it anyway. Any argument you could make would be question begging because you cannot know what state the universe was created in and are thus forced to presuppose the veracity of your position in order to make the argument, which is textbook question begging. There is no requirement, for example, to believe that all stars were created in a newly formed state where they'd have to wait millions of years to burn out their fuel. In fact, it isn't necessary to believe that God didn't create the universe in basically the state in which we find it, with exploded stars and light stretching from there to here already. Light is, after all, the very first thing God created and what would be the point of creating stars three days later in such a way that no one could see them? Just as, Adam and Eve were not created as single celled embryos that had to mature for twenty years to become mature adults and just as the trees in Eden were not created as seedlings on day three of creation, so also the stars were fully formed, mature, visible and roughly speaking in their current state when God created them on day four.

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"and then they compare the star to models that show what stars should look like at various points of their evolution."

The "observations" are "compared" with the UNOBSERVABLE.

On the contrary, when astronomers look out into the galaxy and beyond into the universe, they see stars at all stages of development. They see young stars basking in the haze of their stellar nurseries, and they see old stars ending as novas, dwarfs, etc. So they can look at different stars and observe different stages of stellar evolution.

Take an astronomy course, you might learn something. Or, more likely, you'll flunk out.
 

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On the contrary, when astronomers look out into the galaxy and beyond into the universe, they see stars at all stages of development. They see young stars basking in the haze of their stellar nurseries, and they see old stars ending as novas, dwarfs, etc. So they can look at different stars and observe different stages of stellar evolution.

Take an astronomy course, you might learn something. Or, more likely, you'll flunk out.

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On the contrary, when astronomers look out into the galaxy and beyond into the universe, they see stars at all stages of development.
Including galaxies that are at the "wrong" stage of development.

https://kgov.com/evidence-against-the-big-bang

They see young stars basking in the haze of their stellar nurseries, and they see old stars ending as novas, dwarfs, etc. So they can look at different stars and observe different stages of stellar evolution. Take an astronomy course, you might learn something. Or, more likely, you'll flunk out.
LOL

The "determination" of the "age" in the stellar EVOLUTIONARY model were NEVER determined purely based on observation.

You flunk "science" again and again.
 
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Including galaxies that are at the "wrong" stage of development.

https://kgov.com/evidence-against-the-big-bang


LOL

The "determination" of the "age" in the stellar EVOLUTIONARY model were NEVER determines purely based on observation.

You flunk "science" again and again.

Yeah, whatever. Why don't the science wizzes at KGOV use their genius to actually accomplish some scientific advancements instead of just defend YEC?
 
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