Genesis 1:1-3: How is liquid water present prior to 'light'?

[Viv]

Those such as Henry Morris seem to teach that the 'light' of Genesis 1:3 is physical energy, and this being first created or introduced into a primordial condition of cosmic physics. But if physical energy is first created or introduced only at this point in Creation Week (v. 3), then what do we make of the seeming H2O, and this in liquid form, in v. 2?

Or, if this is actual, and liquid, water, what may we make of this 'light' of v. 3? And in that case, what do we make of v. 1?

There is everywhere in the heavens sources of light, both visible to humans and invisible to humans. There are countless sources of physical energy 'out there'; stars and galaxies and other things that emit light.

But water----liquid water----is the single most basic thing for life. And liquid water does not exist without some source of energy. This implies there the single most basic thing for life is that of a kind of 'marriage' between H2O and a source of energy.

((( Morris, Henry, M., 2000. Biblical Creationism: What Each Book of the Bible Teaches about Creation and the Flood. Baker Books, 271 pages. Pg 18. )))

 

[way 2 go]

1 rotation of the earth = 1 day

day one earth and light without form Gen 1:3,4

day two and three gave form to the earth

day four form to the light Gen 1:14

 

[Stripe]

Those such as Henry Morris seem to teach that the 'light' of Genesis 1:3 is physical energy, and this being first created or introduced into a primordial condition of cosmic physics. But if physical energy is first created or introduced only at this point in Creation Week (v. 3), then what do we make of the seeming H2O, and this in liquid form, in v. 2?

Or, if this is actual, and liquid, water, what may we make of this 'light' of v. 3? And in that case, what do we make of v. 1?

There is everywhere in the heavens sources of light, both visible to humans and invisible to humans. There are countless sources of physical energy 'out there'; stars and galaxies and other things that emit light.

But water----liquid water----is the single most basic thing for life. And liquid water does not exist without some source of energy. This implies there the single most basic thing for life is that of a kind of 'marriage' between H2O and a source of energy.

((( Morris, Henry, M., 2000. Biblical Creationism: What Each Book of the Bible Teaches about Creation and the Flood. Baker Books, 271 pages. Pg 18. )))

I don't understand what the challenge is. Are you saying that God could not have made liquid water without energy?

 

[marke]

Those such as Henry Morris seem to teach that the 'light' of Genesis 1:3 is physical energy, and this being first created or introduced into a primordial condition of cosmic physics. But if physical energy is first created or introduced only at this point in Creation Week (v. 3), then what do we make of the seeming H2O, and this in liquid form, in v. 2?

Or, if this is actual, and liquid, water, what may we make of this 'light' of v. 3? And in that case, what do we make of v. 1?

There is everywhere in the heavens sources of light, both visible to humans and invisible to humans. There are countless sources of physical energy 'out there'; stars and galaxies and other things that emit light.

But water----liquid water----is the single most basic thing for life. And liquid water does not exist without some source of energy. This implies there the single most basic thing for life is that of a kind of 'marriage' between H2O and a source of energy.

((( Morris, Henry, M., 2000. Biblical Creationism: What Each Book of the Bible Teaches about Creation and the Flood. Baker Books, 271 pages. Pg 18. )))

What do humans know for a fact about things they are just beginning to study? There seems to be no evidence of water on any other heavenly orb we know, yet there is a perpetual effort by secularists to try to find it somewhere besides earth, the only heavenly body hospitable to life we know. I remember when Pluto was a planet and then it was not. I remember when there were 2 trillion galaxies in the universe and now we are told there are not. Scientists are in search of truth and many times they promote lies by prematurely publishing one thing that later turns out to be untrue as revealed by new research.

This Is How We Know There Are Two Trillion Galaxies In The Universe

Hubble, even at its best, only reveals perhaps 10% of what's out there. Here's how we get the rest.

www.forbes.com

There may be fewer galaxies in the universe than we thought | CNN

A previous measurement by Hubble Space Telescope suggested there were 2 trillion galaxies spread across the universe. Now, the latest research points to only hundreds of billions of galaxies instead.

www.cnn.com

 

[Whatswot]

“ In the beginning God created the heaveN and the earth “
It was not heaven that was in darkness but the earth .Gen 1:2
“For heaven needs no sun or moon for God is the light thereof”
It was not God who was in darkness but man.
“ For God is light and in Him there is no darkness nor shadow of turning “
God always brings light before Hecstarts a work.
Even as God commanded the light to shine in the beginning . So too did God” command the light to shine in our hearts “

 

[Stripe]

I'm sure you'll get booted off, too.

Not for this post, but.

 

[ttruscott]

Goodness cannot create evil.

If we apply what we know of physical light to Gen 1:3 and following verses we get mired pretty fast if we see it as only physical light...so I suggest we understand it as alluding to something else.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

WoW - light separated from darkness, with no darkness... IF this light is the visible light our eyes can see, then by making it, it creates its own darkness where it is absent. How can light be not separated from darkness or how can it be so separated if it wasn't already separated by its creation? Can this really apply to visible light? Doesn't sound like light we know, does it?

So, was GOD doing tricks with visible light or does this point to something else?
1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

Does "GOD is light" refer to a visible glow or shine like a star or sun? This is weird stuff right? Does “Let there be light,” mean HE self created HIMself? Well of course not, so light is a characteristic of GOD, a divine attribute, part of HIS nature:

1 John 1:5 And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you: God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
That God is light - Light, in the Scriptures, is the emblem of purity, truth, knowledge, prosperity, and happiness - as darkness is of the opposite. John here says that "God is light" - φῶς phōs - not the light, or a light, but light itself; that is, he is himself all light, and is the source and fountain of light in all worlds. He is perfectly pure, without any admixture of sin. He has all knowledge, with no admixture of ignorance on any subject. He is infinitely happy, with nothing to make him miserable. He is infinitely true, never stating or countenancing error; he is blessed in all his ways, never knowing the darkness of disappointment and adversity.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
...that is, as light is opposed to the darkness of sin; he is pure and holy in his nature and works, and of such pure eyes as not to behold iniquity; and so perfectly holy, that angels cover their times before him, when they speak of his holiness:

Vincent's Word Studies
God is Light (Θεὸς φῶς ἐστὶν)
A statement of the absolute nature of God. Not a light, nor the light, with reference to created beings, as the light of men, the light of the world, but simply and absolutely God is light, in His very nature. Compare God is spirit, and see on John 4:24: God is love, 1 John 4:8, 1 John 4:16. The expression is not a metaphor. "All that we are accustomed to term light in the domain of the creature, whether with a physical or metaphysical meaning, is only an effluence of that one and only primitive Light which appears in the nature of God" (Ebrard). Light is immaterial, diffusive, pure, and glorious. It is the condition of life.

People's New Testament
John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him. The message heard from Christ, now declared, is that God is light. The source whence all light, whether it be physical, or moral, or spiritual, comes; the Enlightener of the universe. The term denotes luminous clearness, the free and benevolent source from whence flow light, intelligence, purity and blessing, absolutely free from alien intermixture, since in him there is no darkness at all. Light represents truth, knowledge and holiness. Darkness represents ignorance, error, falsehood and sin.

In terms used by the Scripture to define LIGHT in other places, this would mean that GOD created perfect goodness and separated it from evil…a process which we know is by faith in HIM as our GOd and our Saviour.

LIGHT IS FAITH:
LIGHT is the moral attribute of goodness and life by faith unto righteousness while darkness is evil, rejecting GOD by faith, and death. And in Gen 1:4 GOD separated between them: Genesis 1:4 God saw that the light was good, and HE separated the light from the darkness.

This suggests that ALL people created in HIS image, ALL the Sons of GOD in Job 38:7, already existed by the end of verse 2 or between the verses and speaks to the free will decision that was the separation between all those who accepted YHWH as their GOD and those who rejected HIM as a liar false god in the Satanic fall.

Faith is the person's response to GOD's claims to be our creator and our only saviour from all sin. GOD's claims were part of the gospel proclaimed to every person in creation, Col 1:23.

So could not Genesis 1:3 imply: And God said, “Let there be light,” [ie, faith unto righteousness] and there was light [faith]. 4 God saw that the light [faith] was good, and he separated the light from the darkness [evil, rejecters, antagonists to HIS will, the unfaith or never believing that has them condemned already, Jn 3:18]?

This separation of the light from dark may not be about creation but a foreshadowing of the end of this world, the judgement day and the start of our new life as the Bride of Christ.

 

[way 2 go]

I’m sure I’ll get booted off for saying this, but, hopefully this will help:
God created universe, set it in motion.
He arrived at a planet that was a suitable home. It was covered in water.
He sent His Spirit down to view it, needed light, so He asked for light- since He was the only one there, and “He is Light,” he lit up. He is the same Light found at the end of John’s revelation of Christ. (Remember the transfiguration… true Light)

is this what the aliens told you ?

 

[way 2 go]

When you get serious about God, He is very generous with wisdom. Sorry if my interactions with Him are offensive to you. I’ll place you on my ignore list so you won’t have to be forced to read any more my ETI ramblings.

notice you didn't quote scripture to support
"He arrived at a planet" "He sent His Spirit down to view it"

first thought was dianetics by L ron hubard but aliens is a thing nowadays

also
you don't understand how the ignore list works either

 

[Sherman]

I removed InWordMan from this Christian area. His theology is just too weird.

 

[Clete]

What do humans know for a fact about things they are just beginning to study? There seems to be no evidence of water on any other heavenly orb we know, yet there is a perpetual effort by secularists to try to find it somewhere besides earth, the only heavenly body hospitable to life we know. I remember when Pluto was a planet and then it was not. I remember when there were 2 trillion galaxies in the universe and now we are told there are not. Scientists are in search of truth and many times they promote lies by prematurely publishing one thing that later turns out to be untrue as revealed by new research.

This Is How We Know There Are Two Trillion Galaxies In The Universe

Hubble, even at its best, only reveals perhaps 10% of what's out there. Here's how we get the rest.

www.forbes.com

There may be fewer galaxies in the universe than we thought | CNN

A previous measurement by Hubble Space Telescope suggested there were 2 trillion galaxies spread across the universe. Now, the latest research points to only hundreds of billions of galaxies instead.

www.cnn.com

There are something like 23 moons and planets that we know have water, not the least of which is the planet Saturn who's entire ring system is almost entirely made up of about 15.4 quadrillion metric tons of 95% pure water ice. (Quadrillions is equal to millions of billions or thousands of trillions, by the way.) The mass of Saturn's rings is about 40% that of one of it moons, called Mimas, which is 250 miles in diameter. It's about 2.5 times as much water as in all of the Great Lakes, which is, if my math is correct, equal to 40% as much as all the fresh water on planet Earth.

And that's just Saturn's rings!

There's water on the Moon, Mars, Pluto, multiple other moons, practically every comet, etc.

I think that the list of places in our solar system that don't have water is probably shorter.

 

[Clete]

Those such as Henry Morris seem to teach that the 'light' of Genesis 1:3 is physical energy, and this being first created or introduced into a primordial condition of cosmic physics. But if physical energy is first created or introduced only at this point in Creation Week (v. 3), then what do we make of the seeming H2O, and this in liquid form, in v. 2?

Or, if this is actual, and liquid, water, what may we make of this 'light' of v. 3? And in that case, what do we make of v. 1?

There is everywhere in the heavens sources of light, both visible to humans and invisible to humans. There are countless sources of physical energy 'out there'; stars and galaxies and other things that emit light.

But water----liquid water----is the single most basic thing for life. And liquid water does not exist without some source of energy. This implies there the single most basic thing for life is that of a kind of 'marriage' between H2O and a source of energy.

((( Morris, Henry, M., 2000. Biblical Creationism: What Each Book of the Bible Teaches about Creation and the Flood. Baker Books, 271 pages. Pg 18. )))

Does anyone else find it weird when people analyze Genesis as if it had been published in the Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics?

 

[Right Divider]

Does anyone else find it weird when people analyze Genesis as if it had been published in the Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics?

Seems all too common.

 

[tieman55]

Those such as Henry Morris seem to teach that the 'light' of Genesis 1:3 is physical energy, and this being first created or introduced into a primordial condition of cosmic physics. But if physical energy is first created or introduced only at this point in Creation Week (v. 3), then what do we make of the seeming H2O, and this in liquid form, in v. 2?

Or, if this is actual, and liquid, water, what may we make of this 'light' of v. 3? And in that case, what do we make of v. 1?

There is everywhere in the heavens sources of light, both visible to humans and invisible to humans. There are countless sources of physical energy 'out there'; stars and galaxies and other things that emit light.

But water----liquid water----is the single most basic thing for life. And liquid water does not exist without some source of energy. This implies there the single most basic thing for life is that of a kind of 'marriage' between H2O and a source of energy.

((( Morris, Henry, M., 2000. Biblical Creationism: What Each Book of the Bible Teaches about Creation and the Flood. Baker Books, 271 pages. Pg 18. )))

Did God make a distinction between light and shine?

Gen 1:3 God said, “I command light to shine! And light started shining. 4 God looked at the light and saw that it was good." CEV If, God did make a distinction between light and shine it would be wise for men to do the same or at the very least consider it. Making a distinction between light...

theologyonline.com

Light and shine are two separate things answers your question. Perhaps Light is only a noun and shine is only a verb, and that they are distinct and different.

 

[7djengo7]

And that's just Saturn's rings!

...and doesn't even begin to touch on Saturn's brooches, necklaces, earrings, pendants, bracelets, and cufflinks!

 

[Derf]

...and doesn't even begin to touch on Saturn's brooches, necklaces, earrings, pendants, bracelets, and cufflinks!

You don't have to make a Mr. T out of it.

 

[Rebel for truth]

Those such as Henry Morris seem to teach that the 'light' of Genesis 1:3 is physical energy, and this being first created or introduced into a primordial condition of cosmic physics. But if physical energy is first created or introduced only at this point in Creation Week (v. 3), then what do we make of the seeming H2O, and this in liquid form, in v. 2?

Or, if this is actual, and liquid, water, what may we make of this 'light' of v. 3? And in that case, what do we make of v. 1?

There is everywhere in the heavens sources of light, both visible to humans and invisible to humans. There are countless sources of physical energy 'out there'; stars and galaxies and other things that emit light.

But water----liquid water----is the single most basic thing for life. And liquid water does not exist without some source of energy. This implies there the single most basic thing for life is that of a kind of 'marriage' between H2O and a source of energy.

((( Morris, Henry, M., 2000. Biblical Creationism: What Each Book of the Bible Teaches about Creation and the Flood. Baker Books, 271 pages. Pg 18. )))

Life forms on Earth require water - do the Angels require water - do God require water? Those are the only life forms that has been written about, that man has witnessed, that lives outside of the earth.
We know the angels can change forms and appear as men but is that actually reality or are they manipulating our minds?

Is there other life out there besides them, is it an absolute that other life has to exist in the same manner as life on Earth. Do the same physics even apply?

Scientist has found reservoirs of water out there in the galaxies, yet they haven't found any life forms.

Scientists have found more water in space than they ever knew possible

We’ve known for a long time that there is water in space. But an international team of scientists has found a cloud of water vapor 12 billion light-years away – and it’s bigger than you could possi…

roboticsandautomationnews.com

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/universe20110722.htmlhttps://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-7-11/

Yes according to scientific findings everything is made of energy

DOE Explains...Quantum Mechanics

DOE Explains...Quantum Mechanics

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Nothing Is Solid & Everything Is Energy – Scientists Explain The World of Quantum Physics*

"It has been written about before, over and over again, but cannot be emphasized enough. The world of quantum physics is an eerie one, one that sheds light on the truth about our world in ways that challenge the existing framework of accepted knowledge.

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