Justification from everlasting !

[beloved57]

All those who are Justified by His Blood as Per Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by or in his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

All as such have been Justified before God from Eternity, because Christ being slain and redeeming them by His Blood as per Rev 5:9

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This was in the Mind of God from Everlasting, as if had already been done Rom 4:17

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not[as yet in time] as though they were [already accomplished]

For instance, He called Abraham the Father of Many Nations [Gen 17:5], when he was not yet a father at all !

Therefore it stands to sanctified reason, all for whom He died, were already Justified by His Blood as Early as the Eternal Mind could conceive of it !

 

[Nanja]

beloved57

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This was in the Mind of God from Everlasting, as if had already been done Rom 4:17

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not[as yet in time] as though they were [already accomplished]

For instance, He called Abraham the Father of Many Nations, when he was not !

Therefore it stands to sanctified reason, all for whom He died, was already Justified by His Blood as Early as the Eternal Mind could conceive of it.

Yes. Christ was the Redeemer of His Sheep before He ever was the Creator.

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[beloved57]

Yes. Christ was the Redeemer of His Sheep before He ever was the Creator.

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Correct because the World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ. That's why the World was Created, so God could demonstrate His Grace towards His Church. Eph 3:8-11

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Eph 2:7

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

People think that Redemption was a secondary purpose of God, but it wasn't, it's primary , for in all things Christ has the Preeminence !

 

[Nanja]

beloved57 That's why the World was Created, so God could demonstrate His Grace towards His Church.

What an amazing, wonderful truth!

Christ loved His Church and gave Himself for it (Eph. 5:25).

Psalm 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is Yehovah;
and the people whom He hath chosen for His own inheritance.

This nation consists of all of the Election of Grace (Rom. 11:5).
They are the Israel of God (Psalm 22:23, 28:9);
the Chosen People (Eph. 1:4); the Chosen Seed (Isaiah 44:3, 53:10); etc.

All was according to God's Eternal Purpose in Christ, to redeem His Body, the Church He So Loved!

beloved57 People think that Redemption was a secondary purpose of God, but it wasn't, it's primary , for in all things Christ has the Preeminence !

Amen!

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[beloved57]

nanja

This nation consists of all of the Election of Grace (Rom. 11:5).
They are the Israel of God (Psalm 22:23, 28:9);
the Chosen People (Eph. 1:4); the Chosen Seed (Isaiah 44:3, 53:10); etc.

Yes, and that's the World that was first in Adam as well, The Election of Grace !

 

[Nanja]

beloved57
Yes, and that's the World that was first in Adam as well, The Election of Grace !

Yes!
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[beloved57]

Yes!
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He federally represented the Godly Seed in the beginning when they were made One, He and Eve Mal 2:15

15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

Therefore 2 Pet 2:9

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

That's what He did for the Godly Seed that fell through temptation !

 

[Nanja]

beloved57
He federally represented the Godly Seed in the beginning when they were made One, He and Eve Mal 2:15

15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

Therefore 2 Pet 2:9

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

That's what He did for the Godly Seed that fell through temptation !

That is because the Godly, the Election of Grace, are the Vessels of God's Mercy.

The non-elect God purposed to be vessels of His wrath.

Rom. 9:21-23 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour,
and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,
endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory

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[Nang]

If Justification happened in eternity, then the Incarnation would have been unnecessary.

All things were ordained in eternity by decree, but God willed His decrees be manifested and accomplished in a created world and in proper time.

Justification happened historically on the cross of Christ, and is realized by the elect in their physical lifetimes.

Otherwise, all could have been accomplished by divine fiat, and Jesus and His church would have never experienced earthly life in the flesh.

 

[beloved57]

nang

If Justification happened in eternity, then the Incarnation would have been unnecessary.

That's what it was based on, The Incarnation and Cross of Christ. In fact, that is what the whole Creation of the World was about, the Work of the Cross !

 

[beloved57]

nang

Justification happened historically on the cross of Christ,

Yes Historically you are Right, but that's not when it happened with God. The Eternal God is outside of History in How He views things as Accomplished,His Purpose of something makes it a done deal before Him, but not before creatures of time like you and I .

For instance, what you will experience in the future 5 years from Now, is already a very present done deal before God !

 

[beloved57]

The Eternal Justification of God's Elect is foundationed upon Christ's Eternal Suretyship, and we know He was an Surety of a better Covenant from here Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

The question is when did this take place ? I believe it reaches as far back as from Everlasting Micah 5:2

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Ps 103:17

17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

John Gill writes of this verse :

By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. Or "covenant", for the word signifies both; and what is intended may be called both a testament and a covenant; a testament, because it is founded in the good will and pleasure of God, and respects an inheritance bequeathed by God the Father to his children, which was confirmed and comes to them by the death of Christ the testator; and a covenant, it being a compact or agreement made by the Father with Christ, as the representative of all the elect; in which promises and blessings of all sorts are provided and secured for them in him; and is called in Scripture a covenant of life and peace, because these are things concerned in it; and is commonly by men called the covenant of grace, because it springs from the grace of God, the subject matter of it is grace, and the end of it is the glory of God's grace: now this is better than the covenant of works broken by man, and which exposes him to the curse and condemnation of the law; or than the covenant of the Levitical priesthood, by which was no perfection; and the form of administration of it under the Gospel dispensation is better than that under the law, for it is now revealed more clearly, and administered without types, shadows, and sacrifices; and the extent of its administration is larger, reaching to Gentiles as well as Jews; and besides, it is now actually ratified and confirmed by the blood of Christ, which is therefore called the blood of the everlasting covenant: and of this testament or covenant Christ is the "surety"; the word signifies one that draws nigh: Christ drew nigh to his Father in the council of peace, and undertook to be the Saviour and Redeemer of his people he substituted himself in their place and stead; he interposed between the creditor and the debtor, and became surety for the payment of the debts of the latter, and so stood engaged for them, and in their room: Christ is not the surety for the Father to his people, but for them to the Father; as to satisfy for their sins, to work out a righteousness for them, to preserve and keep them, and make them happy; which is an instance of matchless love.

Now let us look at the word surety, its the word eggyos:

I.a surety, a sponsor

Now what is a sponser ? Its defined as:

a person who vouches or is responsible for a person or thing. or it can be in the plural as for persons !

I believe it was in the Everlasting Covenant, a Covenant formed by the Triune God before the World began, that the Son of God was made Surety of God's People of the Elect Heb 13:20, and in this Eternal Suretyship, the Sins and Condemnation of the Elect were agreed upon to be His responsibility to Satisfy all of their Violations of God's Law, and so, by this agreement, as far as God's Law and Justice was concerned, they were Justified from all their sins and free from any punishment due to them personally, but it would be meted out in the Person and Work of their Surety, and they were Justified from all sin then !

 

[beloved57]

Eternal Justification of the Elect !

Just as important as the Elect's Justification before God by the death of Christ alone before any Gospel Obedience by the Justified, just as true and factual was their Justification from the Punishment of their sins by Christ's Suretyship engagement for them in the Everlasting Covenant, when He was constituted their Surety from Everlasting Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Now even though He did not actually die in Eternity past, He did in Eternity Past become responsible for our guilt, as Surety, hence their punishment due to them was due unto Him instead of them because of Surety Responsibility. This Eternal Surety was based upon what He would do in for them enduring their wrath and punishment, after having been made of a women and under the Law Gal 4:4-5

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Since His Death of Redemption was appointed for the before the foundation 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

20 It is true that He was chosen and foreordained (destined and foreknown for it) before the foundation of the world, but He was brought out to public view (made manifest) in these last days (at the end of the times) for the sake of you. AMP

So this being True, so did they have Justification before God's Law and Justice from the Punishment of their sins before the foundation of the world !

 

[beloved57]

Denying Eternal Justification is quite serious !

Denying Eternal Justification is quite serious in that it disregards God as a Judge, also it disregards what is from scripture, an obvious Judgment of God from before the foundation, this we know from scriptures like Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[In Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11] from the foundation of the world.

1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Foreordained for what Purpose ? 1 Pet 1:18-19

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Foreordained for certain foreknown Elect Individuals 1 Pet 1:2 to be redeemed by the Precious blood of the Lamb, which was slain from the foundation Rev 13:8 !

Now by this it is very clear that God the Judge has already decided that the sins of the Elect foreknown should be laid on Christ, thus He should be slain for them and again raised for their Justification Rom 4:25, for this obviously He had already decided as Judge before all worlds.

Now when a case of a person has been thus decided for that individual, their Justification or condemnation, that official decision stands from the date thereof . Now when was the date of God's decision on redeeming His Elect by the Blood of Christ ? 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

He was manifest in time for specifically these 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Peter was very specific on this, for He wrote manifested FOR YOU !

Now this also means that God before the foundation had Judged and determined not to impute the transgressions of the elect upon them, but instead on Christ the Lamb for them, and by virtue of the Divine Reckoning, Christ was a slain Lamb from the foundation, slain for the sins of specific foreknown individuals, and these foreknown Individuals were recorded in the Lambs Book of Life Rev 13:8;17:8, and His coming to accomplish the Work Heb 10:7,9 ; Ps 40:6-8, and those whose names that had been written in the Book of Life, also had imputed to them, based upon the coming of Christ for them, Justification of Life, so if their Names were written in the Lambs Book of Life before the foundation, then also was God's Judging them to Justification of Life ! Denying this is very serious and anti gospel !

 

[beloved57]

Christ was slain from the foundation of the World !

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

When Preaching about Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3 we cannot shun the whole counsel of it. 1 Cor 15:3 is only part of a whole, with many more sublime Truths accompanying it, such as He being slain from or before the foundation of the World ! Now because of this, those Christ died for as the Lamb slain before the foundation, they never had their sins and condemnation, which He was slain for, charged directly on them, which fact means their Justification from them and its condemnation. In the Eternal Purpose of Christ Jesus Eph 3:11

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

God had predetermined / decreed that Christ should be charged with and die for their sins and condemnation, even though He had not actually died until in Time at the Cross in the fulness of time.

When those who had been chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, He also before the foundation received with them their liability/ and Suretyship, for their sins and condemnation in the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus, again though He did not die before the foundation, He did receive the sentence of Death for their sins before the foundation, to be carried out at an Hour set in Time, and in fact that was the foundation for His Incarnation Heb 10:5-10,14

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[beloved57]

Christ was slain from the foundation of the World ! 2

Jn 6:38

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Jesus here makes it plain as to why He came down from Heaven, it was to do His Father's and God will, the same will in Heb 10:7,9-10

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This lets us know that before He came down from heaven, He knew it had to do with His previous Suretyship engagement, to be an Offering for sin Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Thats the Offering in Heb 10:10,14 ! So all the time before His coming into the world, the sins of those He was charged with, were never charged to them, a whole World of men 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Those whom Christ had been charged with their sins, they never legally by God, had them charged to them, which makes them even before the Incarnation, legally Justified, Acquitted from them, and the condemnation of them, even too, when they are dead in trespasses and sins they are Acquitted before God of all sin ! All this is True from the fact that In the Eternal Purpose of Christ, before the foundation, He was already slain by Eternal Decree, which means that God had already determined that Christ should die in their stead for their sin and condemnation, making them free from all condemnation !

 

[Nanja]

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

When Preaching about Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3 we cannot shun the whole counsel of it. 1 Cor 15:3 is only part of a whole, with many more sublime Truths accompanying it, such as He being slain from or before the foundation of the World ! Now because of this, those Christ died for as the Lamb slain before the foundation, they never had their sins and condemnation, which He was slain for, charged directly on them, which fact means their Justification from them and its condemnation. In the Eternal Purpose of Christ Jesus Eph 3:11

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

God had predetermined / decreed that Christ should be charged with and die for their sins and condemnation, even though He had not actually died until in Time at the Cross in the fulness of time.

When those who had been chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, He also before the foundation received with them their liability/ and Suretyship, for their sins and condemnation in the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus, again though He did not die before the foundation,He did receive the sentence of Death for their sins before the foundation, to be carried out at an Hour set in Time, and in fact that was the foundation for His Incarnation Heb 10:5-10,14

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

All those chosen in Christ to become the Sons of God Eph. 1:4; 2 Tim. 1:9
were eternally sanctified by the offering of Christ's Body as the Lamb Slain
before the foundation of the world, their Head and Surety, in the Purpose and Mind of God.
These comprise the same, and only ones; the specific People He shed His Blood for in 33 AD:
His Church Eph. 5:25; the Israel of God Is. 45:17.

So, the Body God prepared for Him points to His Body also in a mystical sense:
His Church He gave His Life for; they are one Body! Eph. 5:23-27

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[beloved57]

All those chosen in Christ to become the Sons of God Eph. 1:4; 2 Tim. 1:9
were eternally sanctified by the offering of Christ's Body as the Lamb Slain
before the foundation of the world, their Head and Surety, in the Purpose and Mind of God.
These comprise the same, and only ones; the specific People He shed His Blood for in 33 AD:
His Church Eph. 5:25; the Israel of God Is. 45:17.

So, the Body God prepared for Him points to His Body also in a mystical sense:
His Church He gave His Life for; they are one Body! Eph. 5:23-27

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You made a very good point !

 

[Nanja]

You made a very good point !

Thx... You are a blessing to me ! ☺

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[beloved57]

Thx... You are a blessing to me ! ☺

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And you too !