Is mental illness a punishment for sin?

ok doser said:

keep yer chin up

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this was nagging at me earlier and i got stuck on this: but i finally got it:

kinda like wilfred brimley yelling at you to eat your damn oatmeal :chuckle:

Not necessarily it isn't.

Do people who have done nothing wrong have mental illness?

What about people who have sinned? Do they all have mental illness?

Maybe these are some things to think about.

People say that I have mental illness but I do not believe that I do. I do believe that I have been drugged. And I do not believe that someone who is fine should try any drug. Not even someone who is not fine or okay.

Lucian Hodoboc said:

Then why do therapy and pills work on healing some mentally-ill people who continue to live in sin while failing to heal other people who repent and try to live righteous lives (there have been documented cases of monks, nuns, pastors, preachers etc. who struggled with mental illness)?

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There are some denominations for which demons cause things like OCD, superstitions, suicide attempts.
For instance, there are a lot of people with OCD and superstition in the Catholic denomination; and, there are many suicides in the Mormon denomination when young people attempt to leave it.
However, there are also some people who are born with brain damage.

musterion said:

AB is the classless halfwit drunk on malt liquor who shows up uninvited to a party just to make racist comments while having diarrhea in his clown pants.

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Yeah, you're just full of class...or something.

lain:

Otherwise, my response was in answer to Lucian and if you're another nut that denies the reality of mental illness then once again, clueless as ever.

(Oh, and please stop projecting)

eat your damn oatmeal!

The enmity has been abolished. One new man.

Lucian Hodoboc said:

The Old Testament tells us that God punished King Saul by allowing an evil spirit to torment him. In what way, it is not very clear, but from Sault's erratic behavior, I conclude that it was some sort of mental illness (paranoia, schizophrenia, OCD etc.).

Can we take this incident as an example that mental illness could be a punishment for our sinful actions, and if so, is any attempt to treat mental illness through other means than seeking Gog's forgiveness futile?

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If you think it is for you then it is.

Lucian Hodoboc said:

Can we take this incident as an example that mental illness could be a punishment for our sinful actions, and if so, is any attempt to treat mental illness through other means than seeking Gog's forgiveness futile?

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No.

Lucian Hodoboc said:

Gog's forgiveness

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I meant to type "God" in that post. I am unable to edit it.

Lucian Hodoboc said:

The Old Testament tells us that God punished King Saul by allowing an evil spirit to torment him. In what way, it is not very clear, but from Sault's erratic behavior, I conclude that it was some sort of mental illness (paranoia, schizophrenia, OCD etc.).

Can we take this incident as an example that mental illness could be a punishment for our sinful actions, and if so, is any attempt to treat mental illness through other means than seeking Gog's forgiveness futile?

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No, but a broken leg is. I never seek Gog, only God.

Hard to find a fast answer to the question. If you feel anxiety because you did something wrong and you are afraid someone might discover what you did, then you can take something to calm you down and relax. It won't be the cure but surely can diminish the symptom. Remember that even when you ask God for forgiveness of your wrongdoing that such won't clear you up by the rest from what you did.

Bible doesn't specify the mental illness, but no necessarily can be the guilty feeling but on the contrary an aggressive behavior.

Heb 12:5
...you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons,
“MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD,
NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM;
6FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES,
AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES.”

[Asde: A "scourge" is either a whip used for punishment or something that causes widespread suffering and trouble, such as a disease or a natural disaster. ]

7It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live? 10For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, so that we may share His holiness. 11All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

My opinion: Just like hair lips and other bodily deformities are the result from God's curse upon the ground in Genesis. I also think our warped mental state is just another weakness our flesh has. I do wonder how God deals with broken thinking when it come to eternity... especially when that thinking is bent on violence and such. He can forgive what he wants and tells us saints that we may be surprised who we see there. That means we will have known of them and wonder how ... after what we knew they had done. Our Lord Jesus has been given the right to forgive sins ... we just make laws and judge by those standards here and now on earth.

God cursed the ground for man's sake ... so he could rid us of our bodies which have fallen short of his mark/intentions for them. Perhaps he intended from the start that they were prepared to fall short. Part of his salvation plan from the start so to speak. But it sure has made if tough for us to partake of them for the rest of these days of mortality.

I'm trying to trust him that it was/is for our sakes... the rest is up to him.