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An earth that was spinning at the surface 1000 to 600 mph would be impossible for us to live on. There is no need of a reference point at that speed. --Dave

call it what you want, it's still true. --Dave

In atheism there is no absolute frame of reference for anything. God is the absolute frame of reference for those who are not atheists. God created an earth that "cannot be moved". Logically the antitheses of motion is motionlessness. Everything that move is in contrast to what does not...

We all went with the flow we would all be atheists. Research is about looking for the other side of the story. Lorentz is, like Einstein, attempting to discredit the results of the test. That the earth does not move was the result of two tests by Michelson and one by Sagnac. The aether was...

Sagnac experiments say the stars are moving, not the earth. --Dave

Everyone is free to make what ever comment they want on my thread. As far as "motions of objects relative to one another" I think my answer is clear. Things move or they don't move regardless of what may or may not be moving else where. The problem that has been created is that of the...

The relevance is that the tests by Michelson to measure the movement of earth through "space" revealed the earth was not moving. That space contained an ether or not was irrelevant. Einstein proposed relativity in an attempt to explain why these tests failed to show the earth was moving. How...

I know what this thread is about because I started it so please pay attention to what I post. --Dave

Earth is a solid with water on it's surface. The earth, like anything else, either moves or not, not because something else is moving or not. Relativity is an irrational theory. "The Relativity Fraud" In this video every so called proof of relativity is shown to be false. For example,the...

Never said water was a solid. The earth is either in motion or it's not. Relativity has nothing to do with it. "Objects in space are motionless relative to themselves", is a meaningless self contradicting statement. --Dave

It is. Things that are moving through the atmosphere are moving over a "motionless" earth. This is what we all see and experience. --Dave

I can easily understand what you're saying, we just don't experience or observe a moving earth. A moving earth is inconsistent with everything else we see and observe moving through the atmosphere without the atmosphere moving with it. --Dave

Everything, that is a solid, on and above the earth that moves, moves through the atmosphere. The atmosphere does not move with the things that move on or above the earth. The earth itself is a solid and if it is spinning then it would only be reasonable that it would be consistent with...

You have no proof. --Dave

So you have no proof. --Dave

Can't prove a negative. If it's such a simple thing that even a child can understand you should have no trouble doing it. Prove the atmosphere moves with the earth. --Dave

Prove the atmosphere moves with the earth. --Dave

The atmosphere is not moving with the earth. --Dave

The earth is not moving the atmosphere. --Dave

The sun, moon, and stars or other planets have no life, no trees, no water, which means they have no atmosphere such as we have on earth. That they have may or may not have gases is not the point. And since we have never been anywhere else other than earth, as I have argued, then we have no way...