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IMO, your "whosoever" people were given faith ... so they would be able to believe. The OP makes is clear that for 2 major reasons ... man is unable to believe (on his own).

After reading the OP and my posts ... don't you realize that I know this (in spades). I repeat ... it's all about semantics.

OK, forget the sperm possibility. Anything else you'd like to complain about?

This glory was when He was "the Word" (John 1). I should write this in red and in bold. As per the OP ... Before the Incarnation, the Triune Godhead was ... God the Father, God the Word, God the Holy Spirit. Obviously.

IMO, yes ... they are given the faith to believe by God. I was thinking they are chosen first, then called to believe, etc. Butski, the most Rightest of all Dividers convinced me that quite possibly they are called first, and after believing, are then chosen. The church has convinced people to...

I'm just talking about semantics! Gabriel said to CALL the Baby ... "Jesus" and "the Son of God". This is something new ... these names, I mean. Prior to the incarnation, this deity was simply "the Word". And how could He be the Son of God before being "fathered" by the Holy Spirit. Surely, I'm...

Bold and colors noted. Jesus commanded we go out and evangelize because the called and chosen must hear the Gospel and respond to it (and w/o regards to WHY they believe). Lydia was a Jew or Gentile who was not regenerate, butski was a worshiper of God. Is that okay? I mean ... she saw the...

John 1 (NKJV) ... 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. Other NT verses explain that Father God created everything through...

All I ever said about Lydia was that ... "The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul." (Acts 16:14, NKJV) Does the Lord bless everyone in this way? This proves to me that God chooses to really give some people the special opportunity to believe and be saved ... whilst NOT...

I just like to point out the technical error in doing so. Technically, realistically, etc. these names have no part in referring to Jesus PRIOR to the Incarnation.

OK, you are correct ... my mistake. A person can be given the faith to believe, like Lydia was, and then refuse to believe, e.g. because he/she prefers to live in his/her sin.

Yes, of course, I hammer on about nomenclature. And I don't like "how that works" in the churches. There was no one called Jesus or the Son of God or Immanuel, etc. in Heaven before the Incarnation. How about ... only after he ascended? The Lord promises that when we read (and study) the Holy...

The archangel Gabriel said to the virgin Mary: “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus … The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be...

OK, I'll refer to them as Paul does when addressing the churches: "the called and chosen". BTW, surely they are chosen before they are called. So, I don't know why Paul reverses the two.

Romans 9 ... 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), IMO, Paul is...

Jesus was referring to when He was the Word (John 1:1, John 1:14) Please, forget the garbage you were taught in the churches, and just believe the Holy Scriptures. Do you have any idea of God's opinion of (most of) today's churches in North America?

The archangel Gabriel said to the virgin Mary: “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus … The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be...

IMO, nothing in Scripture even hints at this. If you think there is, please show us.

Sorry, but I thought he was objecting to me calling some people "the elect".

"The Lord opened her (Lydia's) heart to heed the things spoken by Paul." (Acts 16:14) God opens the hearts of many people ... so they can believe! Butski, sorry to have to tell you ... He doesn't open everyone's heart.