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  1. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Adam and Eve, certainly tempted. I'd imagine the angels Satan took with him, were tempted by him. It leaves in question: How was Satan tempted? Deluded? Something was his first sin... Probably above my paygrade...
  2. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    At least in likeness, for Jesus to be 'tempted as we are." Good, hard question. More below: Read this theological treatise. Then: Got Questions (Dallas Theological) gives all perspectives without committing to any one of them, thus, I think, A fair offering for what is on the table. In...
  3. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Choice as a small player: I chose vanilla from your freezer. You had both, a couple of scoops are missing from your quart: Small player. I'm a Christian. Whose choice mattered, mine or His? I never intimated 'slightly' choosing, that is a strawman. At the very least, thank you...
  4. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    He had a human nature. Consider these scriptures and help me answer the question. Not at all. Again, read the above scriptures and help me out with the answer. My answer: He had a human nature. Hebrews 4:15
  5. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Ask the question again, perhaps with a yes/no answer if you want clarity. I answered it: if Calvinism were correct, I don't care if I'm a robot with no free choice, not a whit. I'd be 'made' to like it. God not only foreknew, Jesus was crucified from the beginning of the world. If God...
  6. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    However consterned you happen to be, the question and discussion is about the 'need' of choice, specifically more about whether you need to 'choose to love' for it to be meaningful. In this is a deep conversation about what love is and is not. I don't believe 'choice' but a small player...
  7. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Yes, but it is not really a choice but 'to you.' I already know. Am I stuck? Predestined? Yes, as far as vanilla. Do I care? Yes, but not in the way you do. You want the choice, I just want vanilla, predetermined or otherwise, it make no difference. At heart of this conversation is...
  8. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Yes. Incredibly predictable 0.o Ice cream: Vanilla Cereal: Peanut Butter. I do eat something else when not available, but my choice is cancelled out. It is rather "yes" or "no" to chocolate ice cream (always 'no thank you'). Relationally (what is generally at stake for Open Theist...
  9. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Very clear: I'm not Nestorian.
  10. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    I get that people (and apparently Chatgpt) 'think' it looks like a heresy. Note that even Chat GPT could not mention the supposed heresy! There is no name for it supposedly. My point (and only this far): God 'made' man. Chat GPT is interestingly, Open Theist! Who knew? If God is...
  11. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    As I said, as a non-omniscient teacher, I know how all my students are going to do (I'm a good teacher). The test rather shows what I already know "to the student" (and their parents). Because even in failure, they learn. I'm a very good teacher. Isn't God much much much (exceedingly...
  12. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    It is a packed question: here is the answer. Did you know most of Mariology in the RC was from the congregation, not the priests? They allowed heresy to enter when they began worshipping her (not just revere her). In your question, you 'intimate' that idolatry, raising her very high in...
  13. Lon

    ECT Are we born sinless? Pelagianism and semi-pelagianism

    Not that they are sinless. The Pelagian-like/concerned on TOL on the first page said the same thing: They are innocent. The scriptures rather intimate they just aren't developmentally able to be responsible for that nature "before the child knew right from wrong." He eschews Pelagianism...
  14. Lon

    Do some of the Scriptural Truths offend you?

    Hypostatic Union, Both God and man, one being.
  15. Lon

    ECT Are we born sinless? Pelagianism and semi-pelagianism

    There is agreement on point. We 'die' because we act upon sin. That isn't the point of the contention but worth some time to talk about here. It is rather that you aren't responsible for your nature until you 'act' upon it. Romans 7:17-25 As ▲ with just above▲ to Derf. What if we...
  16. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    See here (gist is that the RC got it wrong in accusation on many points). It has little to do with Mary, but rather is dealing with the nature of Christ as God and man. On either side you have Monophysitism (Only one nature) and Nestorian (probably misnomer) which stated that Christ had two...
  17. Lon

    ECT Are we born sinless? Pelagianism and semi-pelagianism

    Because full-blown pelagianism says children are born sinless. Augustine vs. Pelagius was where the controversy began, so you are correct on that assessment. It went to councils specifically because it has everything to do with Jesus' sacrifice and whether it was needed for 'all' men. In...
  18. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Posterity: I do not, in fact, hold to a heresy * needs to be addressed against the accusation. I think it a red herring to this Open vs the rest of theology rather. What is actual heresy, Pelagianism,(not heterodoxy). For the record. Apparently from one 'heretic' to another -Lon
  19. Lon

    ECT Are we born sinless? Pelagianism and semi-pelagianism

    If Pelagian were correct, we'd see more than Jesus perfect. That is why those without the Son 'are condemned already.' Most who espouse this are concerned with their own freewill against scripture that is express that all men, all, need a Savior. John 3 is clear on this.
  20. Lon

    Is Faith Without Works Dead?

    Easy: 1) Tired of the same 'ol arguments, don't want to do it anymore (has nothing to do with you other being member #289 for the #290th time). 2) Disdain. Doesn't want to continue the conversation so a good insult will end it (but you and I are made of different stuff with long suffering...
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