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    What is Jesus saying here?

    I gave it as an example. You, after all have been insisting on replacing "word" with "Jesus". For you, is God "the Father", "The Triune God", "the divine essence", or something else. I was not telling you what I believed. I was asking you what you believed. Just like Wisdom in Proverbs 8 is...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    Jesus died to free us from sin. He explains how being the Son of God allows him to do this in John 8:34-36.
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    No, you're wrong. :D No, I don't think he lied. I think he meant something different. John 10:18. If God uses a human to get something done. Did God do it or the human? Is that human God? Using the same interpretation which you use, I, Hilltrot, pre-exist my own birth. Ephesians 1:4, 2...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    You're right. I completely missed it and I apologize. And looking back, that definitely does make my previous posts look silly and rude. I would not say "positionally greater", but I would more likely say "a better circumstance." And yes, Jesus was definitely trying to point out to his...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    You're jumping ahead of yourself. First you would have to show that "making Himself equal with God." means that the Jews though Jesus was saying he was God. That's a huge leap and you've simply not provided any evidence to support that leap. You're "begging the question". You're making the...
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    The left desperately wants Trump out of office

    It's not inaccurate. You have no knowledge or understanding. Planes don't fuel or fly themselves. Land-based rockets are still launched manually. Submarines are still commanded and crewed. Aircraft carriers aren't empty. Only a moron needs sources for this.
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    The left desperately wants Trump out of office

    You don't know much. A triad of nuclear options are kept to provide a full response regardless of the first strike of another country. Many humans are still involved in the nuclear launch decisions.
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    It matters what it being discussed. The more outlandish or incoherent the concept is, the greater the requirements for that concept. You are saying that Jesus is God. That is completely outlandish and incoherent. Jesus is God is a logical impossibility. That is why after the Nicea in 325...
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    Top ten reasons to vote for Jon Ossoff

    Thanks. I was wondering how that would play in Georgia.
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    Top ten reasons to vote for Jon Ossoff

    Still wondering why so many Georgians voted for this guy and it looks like he will win . . . Anyone know why people voted for this guy? Bueller . . . Beuller . . .
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    John 5:17-18. No, the Jews did not at any time want to kill Jesus because he claimed to be God. They wanted to kill him because he was breaking the Sabbath and calling himself the Son of God. the Bible gives other reason's as well, but none of them were "Jesus called himself God". In fact ...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    You do have to realize that the capitalization of "word" in that passage is an added commentary to the passage. The English translations before the KJV did not capitalize "word". Do the actual word replacements yourself. In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with the Father, and Jesus was...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    I disagree. No, I did not. Your beliefs and interpretations are not mine. No he doesn't claim pre-existence. That doesn't make sense either within the verse or the surrounding passage. First you have Jesus asking the Father to glorify him. This means Jesus < God. It is Jewish tradition at...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    I did give the option of a passage, but a shotgun of a set of passages means that you're having to cut and paste multiple passage to force the Bible to say what you want. Quote a longer passage if you want. It doesn't have to be Twitter-size. Yes, he was more important than just any human...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    So, you're hinging everything on a particular interpretation of this passage even if it doesn't make sense with the rest of the Bible. Well, that is true but that still doesn't make Jesus any less cryptic in this particular passage. Also, think about standard language. If I say "I'm going to...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    No it isn't. There is no indication of that. The owner of the vineyard = the son of the owner of the vineyard. Sorry, this is nowhere to be found. If the workers had honored the son, would that have honored the father of the vineyard? When the workers killed the son, was that dishonoring...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    John 2:22 NLT [22] After he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered he had said this, and they believed both the Scriptures and what Jesus had said. If Jesus wasn't being cryptic why did no one understand what he meant until well after God raised him from the dead? You answered that...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    That's common sense. It provides no evidence that Jesus = God, only that honor to Jesus = honor to God as well as the inverse. Check out Luke 20:9-16. How was the son the same as the owner and how was he different? See my original response to John 8:58. He does not equate himself to God -...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    This one.
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    So at some point Jesus < the Father - yes or no?
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