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I suggest there are good reasons to believe that they were already sinners when they were sown into the earth. Let's look closely to see if there are any clues about this: First: Verse Gen 1:31 refers to everything. as very good which must include the evil angels of the satanic rebellion who...

No, not yet...I don't think that hell is shut on the demonic reprobate until after the great white throne judgement. But they are condemned already while on earth, Jn 3:18. Shutting the gates of hell to me represents their ability to mingle with the elect, not a status of their fate in GOD's sight.

Good morning... 1. Before we were conceived in the flesh, we lived as angelic-like spiritual beings and heard the proclamation of GOD's deity and HIS gospel of salvation, Col 1:23. How we chose by our free will to respond to this claim; fully, partially or to absolutely reject it as lies from a...

I don't think the angels singing at Christ's birth had physical brains, not the angels by the thousands on the hills above Elisha although the angels with God talking to Abraham at Sodom may have had brains. <biiiiig shrug>

I mean: Reality is what is in our lives. A play on a stage uses real things yet is only a simulacrum of our lives. In the same way our lives here can be using real things and people but is only a stage for the morality play that is designed to bring HIS lost sheep back to HIMself as His heavenly...

Nor mouths to sing nor ears to listen. Reminds me of C. S. Lewis: We are not bodies who have a spirit, we are spirits who have a body.

Careful here - you have just wandered into that pre-earth existence theology garbage... the theology that takes so many verses at face value because it solves the doublethink conundrums of ordinary orthodoxy, :)

Mother Earth is under arrest for smoking out DC!!!

...but predestination probably is.

In the Bible, when God "opened his eyes," it typically refers to a moment of divine revelation. Most famously, in the Book of Numbers, God opened the eyes of the prophet Balaam, allowing him to see the angel of the Lord blocking his path with a drawn sword. Seems to imply that the angel was...

I'm curious about the angels singing to the Shepherds the night Jesus was born, and the 3 Lords outside of Sodom...Do you think that they manifested real bodies and really sang and talked or did they manifest a mental vision of singing, talking people in the minds of their audience? I think...

Agreed. Why make a universe of such vastness if it is never to be used? The vast universe is the playground for the heavnly spirits who can use adapted physicality to experience all the wonders of HIS creation.

I get it...the temporary body is a simulation of the spirit which was our first creation, :)

The purpose of this simulation is to return the lost sheep, HIS sinful elect, to HIM as heaven ready, able to start the heavenly marriage. Living with the reprobate who can never return helps to fulfill this purpose in HIS prodigal sons, Matt 13:27-30. Choosing to be God minded and holy speeds...

The fact that the story of HIS interaction with us ends with the marriage of some to HIM in heaven is enough for me to put my faith in the idea that HE created us to be HIS bride...which has some implications: - in HIS image would probable mean, able to be a suitable bride for HIM, ie, not an...

Well, actually I don¨t assume anything theological any more, though I used to assume the theological greats must have got it right until I realized they mostly disagreed with one another and I was supposed to learn to follow the Spirit, not them. I now start with accepting GOD's attributes at...

First: Matt 13:36 Then Jesus dismissed the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.” An explanation of a parable or any metaphor cannot use another or more metaphor to explain it or it is a mere expansion of the...

The person is the spirit / soul - not their body! Some people who die go back / return to Sheol from whence they came: Ps 9:17 The wicked will return to Sheol— Berean Standard Bible or do you think they go bodily back to Sheol? Who says? For what reason? What then should the solution...

I don't understand you... The immaterial person is more important than what?? HOW does becoming an elect or a sinner by our free will before the creation of the physical universe remove the need for the bodily sacrifice of Christ and the physical resurrection of Christ??? It just does not...

"Good" would then not have a moral connotation but is used as a status indicator, indicating their status as an elect sinner.