Anti- Calvinists Ignore the Fall !
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Romans 5:12KJV
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Men were not "fallen" creatures until they sinned.
All of creation was "fallen"....corrupted by sin that had entered the world. But, God makes it clear. Man can choose to do "well" or "not well". Sin lieth at the door waiting to come in.
Gen. 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.
Sin is persistent, deceitful, and entices man to sin. So, all do in the end, because man is week through his flesh. As was Adam. The lusts of the eyes, lusts of the flesh, and the pride of life, get us all until we return to our Creator and are quickened.
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
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Do you see the word "accustomed" there? Read that chapter and you'll see what is meant.
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Not everyone is 'accustomed' to doing bad.
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We have a choice. Paul says we can either be slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness.
Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
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God says people 'choose' to do evil:
1 Peter 4:3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do–living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.
1 Peter 4:3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do–living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.
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The following are scriptures that show a loving God, and that God calls and some do not answer. They resist God.
But concerning Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” Romans 10:21.
God held his hands out. The people were obstinate to God holding his hands out.
Isaiah 65:2 All day long I have held out my hands to an obstinate people, who walk in ways not good, pursuing their own imaginations–
Does it make sense that God would hold out His hands to people if He made it impossible for them to choose Him?
But concerning Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” Romans 10:21.
God held his hands out. The people were obstinate to God holding his hands out.
Isaiah 65:2 All day long I have held out my hands to an obstinate people, who walk in ways not good, pursuing their own imaginations–
Does it make sense that God would hold out His hands to people if He made it impossible for them to choose Him?
Romans 5:12KJV
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Men were not "fallen" creatures until they sinned.
All of creation was "fallen"....corrupted by sin that had entered the world. But, God makes it clear. Man can choose to do "well" or "not well". Sin lieth at the door waiting to come in.
Gen. 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.
Sin is persistent, deceitful, and entices man to sin. So, all do in the end, because man is week through his flesh. As was Adam. The lusts of the eyes, lusts of the flesh, and the pride of life, get us all until we return to our Creator and are quickened.
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
'Men were not "fallen" creatures until they sinned'.
No! All mankind fell in Adam's sin, and are born in sin.
Gen4:7 is speaking to Adam's son Cain. It is speaking of having his offerings accepted.
Gen4:7 says nothing about being able not to sin!
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Saying it doesn't make it so.
God said sin was waiting at the door if he chose wrongly, and He was talking about Cain's attitude.
Yes, Cain's attitude arising from his sinful nature from Adam.
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That's called human nature. The same nature that Adam and Eve had.
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Referring, of course, to those who fulfilled the lusts of the flesh.
There is a "conducting" and a "fullfilling" that earns them the wrath of God.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
God says it and that makes it true!
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Don't forget that Cain had a brother that did good.
Gen4:3-4 The Lord approved of or accepted Abel's offering. Abel may have done good with his offering. But Abel was still a sinner. Abel was not sinless or perfect!
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Who are you to condemn Abel?
Heb. 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
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He still was acceptable to God.
I am not condemning Abel. Abel was not sinless or perfect. Heb 11:4 speaks of the righteousness of faith.
Heb 11:39-40 says Abel was not yet perfect!
Yes, acceptable to God, not because he was sinless or perfect, but through the rightiousness of faith.