ARCHIVE: Free From Sin - 1 John

godrulz

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Lighthouse said:
It is not a sin when one is not under the law. Can a Christian transgress the law, Knight?

The first murder in the Bible was committed before the Law was given. It was not a righteous act, but a sinful one in light of God's holiness and the creation mandate of the sanctity of light.

You are misunderstanding the unchanging moral law of God (vs ceremonial law), how Jesus fulfilled it, and its relationship to believers. Sin is lawlessness. If a believer commits adultery, it is sin. Euphemizing it away or finding a 'not under the law' misunderstanding for a loop hole flies in the face of the weight of all of Scripture (OT and NT).
 

Nathon Detroit

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Lighthouse said:
It is not a sin when one is not under the law. Can a Christian transgress the law, Knight?
If by "the law" you mean the law of circumcision then the answer is "no".

But that doesn't mean you cannot sin. You fail to understand the broad meaning of the word sin. You should use the Apostle Paul as an example and use the word sin the way he did.
 

Sozo

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Knight said:
If by "the law" you mean the law of circumcision then the answer is "no".
:noway:

Are you saying that when Paul speaks of us not being under the Law, he is referring to circumcision, and not the whole Law?
 

Nathon Detroit

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Sozo said:
:noway:

Are you saying that when Paul speaks of us not being under the Law, he is referring to circumcision, and not the whole Law?
Circumcision is the "whole law".

Galatians 2:7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter.

It's a synonym for the law.
 

godrulz

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Legalism (self-righteous law keeping) and license (antinomianism-lawlessness) are heretical. The truth is that the law is good (it comes from God) and is fulfilled in love. The fulfillment of the law is to love God supremely and others equal to ourselves. If we do this, we will not worship idols, murder, adulterate, steal, etc.

Augustine: Love God and do as you please (if your motive is love, you will not disobey His loving law, nor will you be a Pharisee).

The Law can mean various things in various contexts. There is a difference between ceremonial laws for national Israel, and the universal moral law of God based on His character and being. The NT does not rescind the moral law (except a shift to the Lord's Day vs creation Sabbath).

The Law has dual purposes: It is a schoolmaster that brings us to Christ because it condemns all of us as lawless sinners (no one can keep the law apart from God).

The 10 commandments are still a basis for our Judeo-Christian legal system (what is left of it). They are absolutes for societal standards for the good of man.

They also provide a framework for Christian living subsequent to justification by grace through faith apart from law or self-righteousness. Obedience is an expression of love which is an expression of genuine faith. If you love and trust Him, you will obey Him (vs godless, selfish rebellion). The NT reiterates the principles of the moral law of God. Believers are still to flee immorality, to have no other gods before God, to honor parents, etc. This is done in the power of the Spirit that draws on His law that is written on our hearts by the Spirit instead of stone Mosaic tablets by the finger of God.
 
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