Are you Going to Heaven?

OZOS

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If Jesus died for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2) and all sins but one shall be forgiven sinners (Mark 3) then what sin is great enough to send unforgiven sinners to hell?
Your question makes no sense. I'm beginning to wonder if you have any clue what the gospel is, you have already proven you have no idea what salvation is.
 

OZOS

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If Jesus died for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2) and all sins but one shall be forgiven sinners (Mark 3) then what sin is great enough to send unforgiven sinners to hell?
There is no "if" about it. Unbelief requires repentance. No one goes to hell for any other reason than to reject the gospel.

This has nothing to do with my questions to you based on your statement...

marke said:
Not all sins bear an immediate judgment from God, as seen in John 15:22.
 

marke

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Oh gosh! Jonah the dreamer! He never even left his bed. Jonah was a prophet and if there is a prophet "among you" to him I'll make My will known through a dream or vision. (Num. 12:6) Jonah had a dream about Nineveh to remind himself of the Jewish role to bring salvation to Mankind. Didn't Jesus say that salvation comes from the Jews? (John 4:22) So, Jonah hated the Assyrians for what they would do to destroy the Ten Tribes of Israel. So, in his dream, he tried to escape God's assignment of him to bring salvation to the Assyrians no matter what. Then Jonah went down to Joppa, took a ship to Tarshish and once aboard, he went down into the hold of the ship and lay there fast asleep. (Jonah 1:1-5) Then the crew woke him up and... you know the rest. Every thing happened on a double dream.

Pit here is a reference to how low Jonah fell down to reach rock bottom for trying to escape his Jewish responsibility as Immanuel. (Isa. 8:8)
Very poor students of the Bible may think Moses dreamed he led the nation of Israel out of Egypt, but he did not just dream about it, he did it because God said he did. God also said Jonah was swallowed by a sea creature because that is exactly what happened and was not just what someone thought was a dream.
I'll be going to Heaven because I acknowledge that it takes faith along with good works to be a follower of Christ. The unrepentant homosexual who is 'married' to another male (for 30 years, that's a long time in homosexual years, as most of them die around the age of 45), takes Jesus for granted thinking that His sacrifice on the cross allows him to go on proudly sinning.
You are right. The wicked shall not enter heaven. 1 Cor. 6:9 tells us that fornicators will not enter heaven.
 

marke

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Purpose: Wake up the sinner who thinks they are a good person and that good deeds will outway the bad. Bring a conviction of sin. Wake up the believer who has sin as a practice. Wake up the unsaved to the condition they are in. Remind those who walk in victory over sin of what they were saved from. ALL to the power and glory of Jesus Christ.

You think you are going to heaven?Take this test. In taking the test do it in the light of the principle of the question being asked and apply it to your own life circumstances. Lust: (married) persons: Have you had sexual or inappropriate relations with a person you were not married to, while married to someone else? Have you had sexual lustful thoughts( fantasies) of desire toward a person when you looked at them while married to someone else? Looked to long at, because a person of the opposite sex was attractive or good looking? Decided you could look as long as you don't touch? Married a person who got divorced apart from Gods permission? If yes to any of those God says you are guilty of adultery.

(to the unmarried or ((married person pertaining to their past before marriage): Have you had sexual or inappropriate relations with a person you were not married to? Have you had sexual lustful thoughts (fantasies) of desire toward a person when you looked at them ? Looked to long at, because a person of the opposite sex was attractive or good looking? If yes you are guilty of fornication.

Have you ever committed morally questionable acts and conduct toward others or yourself? Ever enjoy "a good" dirty joke?Then God says you are guilty of uncleanness.Played magic games? Visited a psychic or medium or palm reading? Had your fortune told? Followed a horoscope? Played with a ouija board? Read books with topics of magic, wizards and witchcraft? Followed tv shows of people doing strange and paranormal/supernatural things? Witchcraft? Occult? Twilight? Harry Potter ? Bewitched? If yes to any of those you according to God are unclean.

You ever committed lustful or sexually offensive actions toward others such as hitting on someone with a sexually explicit pick up line or publicly showed actions in order to attract sexual attention? Posed in a picture as to show sexy? Walked or carried your body, or dressed to attract sexual attention? Hows your beach swim attire? If yes to any God says you are guilty of lewdness.

Do you put your trust for your health finances and well being in anyone or anything other then God alone? Do you put anyone or anything first foremost and greatest place and part of your life other then God? Do you devote or dedicate your time, effort, ability and skill to anyone or anything other then God or what is of Him?(that includes yourself) Do you esteem, love, give devotion or time over to things that are not Godly or approved of by Him? If yes then you are guilty of the sin of idolatry.

Ever do drugs? Legal or other? Smoke? If yes then you are guilty before God of sorcery.

Ever have a serious dislike or distaste with actions or feelings of being hostile or seriously unfriendly toward someone or anyone even if a enemy or opponent? If yes you are guilty of hatred.

Really ever get angry with a person? If yes then you are before God guilty of murder. Ever shoot anyone even in a war? Or in self defense? Same guilt before God. Murder.

Ever had strife debate or controversy with a person with animosity wrong intentions or dislike toward them? Sue anyone? Take them to court? Argue with ill will? Get in a fight? If yes then you are guilty of the sin of contentions.

Ever not like the fact that someone is enjoying success or an advantage like being paid or given more or got attention for his or her accomplishment more then someone you thought deserved it, like yourself? Or even wished you got it or had it and not, or instead of, that person? Wish you got that present or money that so and so got given instead of them? If yes you are guilty of jealousies. If you do these things with covetousness of wanting of the advantages successes and wealth then the guilt of envy comes.

Ever lash out in anger physically or verbally? punch a wall or beat a person our animal or go into a verbal shouting yelling and screaming fit, have road rage or anger at another driver or person who upset you and you let them know through your actions or in some way that you are mad angry and upset? If yes then you are guilty of out bursts of wrath.

Ever wish everyone would recognize how good you are and wanted your own personal agenda to be the goal of everyone around you regardless of others? Ever work hard to get accomplished the thing you have always wanted without consideration to the cost of others around you? Career goal that was sacrificed greatly for even if by stealing time or hurting those around you? You are guilty of selfish ambitions.

Do you regularly get in disagreements and arguments and be that person who certain topics can never be discussed with but you enjoy that? Political and social issues that you argue about and take a stubborn stand on your views and no one better present anything that opposes it or else? If yes you are guilty of dissensions.

Do you hold beliefs or ideas or thoughts that you believe are true, that are contrary to God and His word? Example do you believe in evolution or other "scientific" explanations of biblical accounts, views, world events along with ethical and moral conduct of society? Be it historical or present? If yes you are guilty of heresies.

Ever get drunk? Take part in a party with loud music dancing games food fun drinking getting high making out with all the actions and activities of sexual perversion drunkenness ect? If yes you are guilty of the sin of drunkenness and revelries.

Ever tell a lie?little white lie? Half truth? Explain something in order to give the wrong perception or impression to deceive or keep someone believing an untruth? If yes you are guilty of being a liar.

Ever steal anything? Take anything that did not belong to you without asking because if you did, someone might object, not wanting you to do so? If yes you are guilty of stealing.

Ever lie tell a half truth or present a obscure view about someone you knew to someone else as to cause that person you lied about trouble or to look bad and win people over to your point of view about that person? Does that sound like gossip? You are guilty of false witness.

Ever look at someone’s house and want it? How about wanting some ones wife or husband? Wanting some ones laborer who contracted with them to break that contract and come work for you? Wish you had someone else's horse cows chickens cat or dog? lawn or farm tractor? Truck car boat RV sport utility vehicle? Wanting a painting or musical instrument that is one of a kind or exclusively made but belongs to someone else?If you did any of these type of things with a seriousness then you are guilty of covetousness.

Ever take the Lord's name in vain? Use it to curse or swear? Even if someone scared you and in surprise expression say oh Jes@$&$? You are guilty of blasphemy.

Ever want to exert your will over someone else? Ever wish you were the boss so you could show them a thing or to? Ever boast about your abilities and achievements as to present yourself as being someone smart and great or better than others? Ever inflate your achievements to seem greater then what they actually are? Ever try to put yourself at the top and make it seem like your most valuable one in the group as to not be laid off, fired, thought badly about or looked down on or excluded and rejected? Guilt of selfishness and pride of life belongs to you.

To the person without God: You said no to all the above and say that you have not done any of those things? Or that your good deeds will out weigh the bad? If yes you are guilty of self righteousness and lying. Hypocrite! Look at our own (good part) justice system. Would a good judge acquit a man who was a horrific murderer ( go ahead and create a really bad crime rap sheet list in your own mind) just because he donated large sums of money to charity, helped the poor, saved some one from drowning, doing all that now and then to balance out his crime? To the person "with God" but have any of the above as a regular thing in your life but deny it you are guilty of lying and hypocrisy with self-righteousness.

You said yes to most of the above and are without God? Here then is the title you have.

adulterator Fornicating unclean lewd idolater sorcerer hatful Murderer contentious jealous envying wrathful selfish dissentious* heretical drunken reveler lying stealing false witness ( slanderer) covetous selfish prideful blasphemer

And you are going to stand before a sinless perfect pure holy righteous God and expect Him to let you into heaven?Go ahead and add arrogant to your title. Humans are not worthy to be saved with absolutely no value in or of themselves to ever attract God to love or save them. Humans are to Him of themselves deserving of the very depths of hell with all it's endless horrors and tortures along with all the other demonic creatures and beings who rebelled against Him because they are as them! A rebellious creation who loves the sin they are in and are always pron to do evil! God is so righteous so holy so perfect that He cannot and will not tolerate warm up to be desensitized about or talked into permitting sin. He demands of His creation that they walk before Him and be perfect! If they won't do it then the place prearranged for that sort is where they will go. It is not His desire that they go, but they of their own will not to obey and therefore putting themselves under His wrath and judgment. God is not a humanist. He is not begging you and pleading with you to stop sinning repent, get a new nature to be made perfect by the blood of His Son Jesus Christ who died on a cross and three days later He raised Him from the dead, and by His blood, atonement can be made for your sins. No instead it’s a gentle invitation to all, that whoever will hear can receive forgiveness for their sin and be changed from being a sinner to saved. Anyone who will believe and receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior can be made into a new person and be the perfection through Christ, the work of The Holy Spirit, that God demands. It's the pure Holy blood of Jesus Christ that God shed for the forgiveness of sin that enables you to be made into a new person free from sin and it's desires. You must be born again! Without it you can never be free from sin. With it you will not continue to commit as a practice, sin.

(The person who has sin as a practice in their lives, meaning as a regular occurrence of normal needs to repent and get right with God and do what it takes to live a life of victory over sin)

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8 NKJV)

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21 NKJV)

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever. (1 John 2:15-17 NKJV)

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10 NKJV)

Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. (1 Corinthians 6:18 NKJV)

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. (2 Timothy 3:1-9 NKJV)

knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust. And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. (apostle Paul speaking in 1 Timothy.)

But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. (Colossians 3:8-11 NKJV)

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage. But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit. But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And on some have compassion, making a distinction; but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh. (Jude 1:5-23 NKJV)

But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. (Revelation 21:27 NKJV)

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.” And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. (Revelation 22:14-17 NKJV)

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, uI will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.22 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ (Jesus Christ) Revelation 3
As a general rule Christians do not sin after they are saved like they did before they were saved. But Christians still sin after they are saved which is why we are told to confess our sins, not to become saved or to stay saved, but to restore our fellowship and walk with God.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 

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To be clear, let me define what I believe the word "Salvation" means as used in 1 Peter 1:9. I believe it is deliverance from the condemnation of hell reserved for sinners who refuse to believe and receive the Word of God as the Word of God.
Don't you find it strange that Paul always speaks of salvation by grace through faith in the present tense?
1Co 15:1-2 KJV Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Whereas Peter is speaking of a future salvation.
1Pe 1:5 KJV Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
The salvation that Peter is talking about includes entrance into the kingdom on earth.
 

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As a general rule Christians do not sin after they are saved like they did before they were saved. But Christians still sin after they are saved which is why we are told to confess our sins, not to become saved or to stay saved, but to restore our fellowship and walk with God.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
OUR in 1 John refers to Israel.
John was one of the TWELVE apostles that will sit on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel.
Mat 19:28 KJV And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luk 22:29-30 KJV And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; (30) That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
 

marke

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What did the thief on the cross give up?

Repentance is not about turning from sin to be saved. Repentance is turning to Jesus who died for our sins. Repenting from sins, for salvation, is a false gospel. It's blasphemous.
You sound like you believe telling sinners God wants them to repent of sins is false teaching.
 

marke

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For salvation, it is.
I am not familiar with multiple translations of the Bible. I am assuming that in at least one version of Acts 2:38 we will read: "For whosoever will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ while refusing to repent of sins will be saved and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
 

OZOS

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I am not familiar with multiple translations of the Bible. I am assuming that in at least one version of Acts 2:38 we will read: "For whosoever will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ while refusing to repent of sins will be saved and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
100% positive it's not a translation, from any manuscript. In fact, who ever wrote that and believes it, cannot be saved,
 

OZOS

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I am not familiar with multiple translations of the Bible. I am assuming that in at least one version of Acts 2:38 we will read: "For whosoever will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ while refusing to repent of sins will be saved and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
As most here know, you lack a fundamental understanding of the fact that the nation of Israel was preached a different message, for a different reason, than the message Paul was given by Jesus. I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you, because you've already shown that you are unwilling to listen and learn, per past evidence you have ignored. Nevertheless, the verse in question, which is directed solely to the nation of Israel, NEVER implies repenting from sins for salvation. It says the exact opposite.

"Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

If you want to apply this to both Jews and Gentiles, Peter is telling them that they must repent (change their mind) concerning Christ, and then they will receive forgiveness of sins. They are not turning from sin, but turning from unbelief in Christ and believing that He is the One who was sent by God, to save them from their sins. Jesus is the only One who is qualified to do something about sin, and He did everything about sin, that God required. God was satisfied. Those who teach repentance from sin for salvation are telling God that He is not satisfied with the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins, but that each individual must repent from them to be saved. Pure blasphemy.
 

marke

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As most here know, you lack a fundamental understanding of the fact that the nation of Israel was preached a different message, for a different reason, than the message Paul was given by Jesus. I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you, because you've already shown that you are unwilling to listen and learn, per past evidence you have ignored. Nevertheless, the verse in question, which is directed solely to the nation of Israel, NEVER implies repenting from sins for salvation. It says the exact opposite.

"Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

If you want to apply this to both Jews and Gentiles, Peter is telling them that they must repent (change their mind) concerning Christ, and then they will receive forgiveness of sins. They are not turning from sin, but turning from unbelief in Christ and believing that He is the One who was sent by God, to save them from their sins. Jesus is the only One who is qualified to do something about sin, and He did everything about sin, that God required. God was satisfied. Those who teach repentance from sin for salvation are telling God that He is not satisfied with the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins, but that each individual must repent from them to be saved. Pure blasphemy.
God wants sinners to repent of sins, whether Jews or Gentiles.

Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
 

marke

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Not for salvation, He does not.

The verse says nothing about repenting from sins. Your brain is stuck in 1st gear. Learn to read, before you comment.
I don't need a dictionary or thesaurus to know what God meant by "repent."

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
 

OZOS

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What special powers do you claim to possess that you think you are capable of and justified for making such a wild accusation?
Jesus said that false prophets are known by what they SAY out of their mouth, and what they SAY out of their mouth reveals their heart.

"But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man."

"A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks."


You have an evil, unbelieving heart, and you have never repented.
 

marke

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Jesus said that false prophets are known by what they SAY out of their mouth, and what they SAY out of their mouth reveals their heart.

"But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man."

"A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks."


You have an evil, unbelieving heart, and you have never repented.
You must be a Catholic bishop, the way you justify or condemn others at will.
 
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