Armed terrorists occupy federal building - won't leave until their demands are met

[Tinark]

An armed militia took over a building at a national wildlife refuge in Oregon late Saturday and vows to occupy the outpost for years to protest the federal government’s treatment of a pair of ranchers facing prison time.

The occupation of a portion of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge 30 miles southeast of Burns, Ore., followed a peaceful march for ranchers Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, who are scheduled to report to federal prison in San Pedro, Calif., on Monday after being convicted of arson, according to the Oregonian.

Prosecutors said the father and son set the fire, which burned about 130 acres in 2001 on leased federal land, to conceal poaching, according to CNN.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-take-over-federal-building-in-rural-oregon/

 

[gcthomas]

The whole situation got worse when the authorities backed away from the armed gangs of radicalised Christians instead of enforcing their action against Bundy for not paying his rent. They think that laws don't apply to them now.

 

[Rusha]

They need to remove them with whatever force necessary.

 

[gcthomas]

They need to be shown who is actually in charge. Unfortunately, it might be them in charge.

 

[patrick jane]

They need to remove them with whatever force necessary.

:nono: :devil:

 

[kmoney]

The Hammonds don't seem like very sympathetic figures. Is the idea that they didn't actually poach and burn the land?

 

[Nick M]

A radicalized Christian would not be doing what they are doing.

Matthew 5

39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

I'd say go straight to hell, but you are already on your way. :devil:

 

[Nazaroo]

took over a building at a national wildlife refuge in Oregon

oh noes, hundreds of squirrels could be endangered.

Or worse: teenage squirrels could be introduced to the NRA and then armed.

 

[gcthomas]

A radicalized Christian would not be doing what they are doing.

Matthew 5

39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

I'd say go straight to hell, but you are already on your way. :devil:

So they'll hands over their guns when asked?

 

[kmoney]

The Hammonds don't seem like very sympathetic figures. Is the idea that they didn't actually poach and burn the land?

It seems that the Bundys are mostly concerned with the Refuge land and not the specific Hammond case. In this article he's not calling for Hammond's sentence to be overturned.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-protest/

He did not explicitly call on authorities to commute the prison sentences for the Hammonds, who are scheduled to report to prison Monday. But he said their case illustrates officials' "abuse" of power.

"Now that people such as the Hammonds are taking a stand and not selling their ranches, they are being prosecuted in their own courts as terrorists and putting them in prison for five years," Bundy said.

He said the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge has taken over the space of 100 ranches since the early 1900s.

"They are continuing to expand the refuge at the expense of the ranchers and miners," Bundy said.

But over here it's both.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-take-over-federal-building-in-rural-oregon/

The group is calling for the Hammonds’ release and said the militia was planning an occupation that lasted “for years.”

“The best possible outcome is that the ranchers that have been kicked out of the area, then they will come back and reclaim their land, and the wildlife refuge will be shut down forever and the federal government will relinquish such control,” Ryan Bundy told the Oregonian. “What we’re doing is not rebellious. What we’re doing is in accordance with the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land.”

 

[rocketman]

So they'll hands over their guns when asked?

Never...

 

[jzeidler]

They're not terrorists. They are a militia who is standing up to a government who is unconstitutionally taking thousands of acres of land that have belonged to people for hundreds of years.

 

[jzeidler]

They need to remove them with whatever force necessary.

Think before you speak. That would start a second civil war.

 

[kmoney]

It seems that the Bundys are mostly concerned with the Refuge land and not the specific Hammond case. In this article he's not calling for Hammond's sentence to be overturned.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-protest/



But over here it's both.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-take-over-federal-building-in-rural-oregon/

Just posting more information.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...ranchers_in_showdow.html#incart_story_package

Bundy and Payne and their associates are persisting, though. They explain in deliberate, calm tones their reasoning.

The federal government claims title to most of the land in Harney County, the ninth largest county in the United States. Bundy and Payne maintain that Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the U.S. Constitution limits what the federal government can own, and that the government's claim to much of Harney County violates that limit. The federal government consequently has no authority to prosecute the Hammonds.

Locals are split, possibly more against it the militas.

Some residents have shown interest in the group's cause.

Locals voted seven of their own onto a new Harney County Committee of Safety, including ranchers, a retired fire chief, and a tax preparer.

Payne and Bundy said the committee would decide how to address the Hammond conflict. But Bundy quickly created a website for the group and drafted a sharply-worded letter to the sheriff for the committee to issue.

Citizens on the committee said they authorized none of it.

Local dissent

Chris Briels, Burns fire chief for 24 years, said he was intrigued by the constitutional arguments raised by Payne and Bundy. But he said he also felt pushed too hard by Bundy to act. Briels said he is no anarchist.

The militia, Briels said, "seems like a bunch of people ready to shoot. I don't want that in my county."

Melodi Molt, a rancher and former president of Oregon CattleWomen, joined Briels on the new committee. She's troubled by what's happened to the Hammonds – but also worried about what her community faces with the outsiders.

"We're not from the militia," said Molt. "We're not going to come in with guns and overthrow the government."

The state's largest agriculture associations have vigorously defended the Hammonds since they were charged but want no part of the brewing militia action.

"I don't think people lining up in front of them with weapons or any kind of threats are going to help the Hammonds at all," said Barry Bushue, Oregon Farm Bureau president.

wiki has a decent article already too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malheur_incident

 

[Alate_One]

They're not terrorists. They are a militia who is standing up to a government who is unconstitutionally taking thousands of acres of land that have belonged to people for hundreds of years.

And Native Americans for thousands of years. You going to give it back to them? Why didn't we give everything back to THEM the last time they took over a park?

The people, through government are already administrating the land. Public land means you don't get to do whatever you want to it, there are things called rules.

And public land without rules is called ruined in short order.

 

[Granite]

They're angry a couple of arsonists got busted and now they're terrorizing a small town that doesn't want them there.

What a pack of freaks.

 

[Nick M]

So they'll hands over their guns when asked?

What does this have to do with your false witness against Christians?

 

[musterion]

Why should they be forced to leave just because they're armed? Or is that the reason? Occupy and BLM have rarely been forced to leave anywhere they chose to have a thug-in, public or private property.

If the militia guys were unarmed, would you still deny them their right to spontaneous assembly per the Occupy/BLM model?

 

[Granite]

Seizing a federal property's usually a good way to get someone to ask you to hit the road.

 

[musterion]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_protests

"That's different."