Can Americans walk and chew bubble gum at the same time?

Cam

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"Al Jazeera is fiction" This is the response of this particular breathing entity to the gut churning testimony of men who suffered horribly and were then slapped in the face by their government and country.

I want to appeal to some others, even my nemeses at times, particularly those of you with two and even three digit IQs, can you at least see my dilemna? How do you live day to day with smoldering rage and still worship and exhibit Christ?
 

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We are the most ignorant, stupid people... Or, maybe it's the whole world lapping up their daily diet of Izvestia and Pravda.

Anyway, on the cover up of the attack on the Liberty. Don't expect any Hollywood blockbusters anytime soon.

Was that 49+ minute video supposed to convert people to your Jew hating cause Cam?

I doubt that many are interested in watching 49+ minutes of your Jew hating propaganda, so here is a breakdown of what happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Even if it could be proven that the Israeli's did intentionally attack a US Navy ship, they've been our valuable allies against your beloved muzzies every day before that day and every day since that day.
 

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Was that 49+ minute video supposed to convert people to your Jew hating cause Cam?

I doubt that many are interested in watching 49+ minutes of your Jew hating propaganda, so here is a breakdown of what happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Even if it could be proven that the Israeli's did intentionally attack a US Navy ship, they've been our valuable allies against your beloved muzzies every day before that day and every day since that day.

Well, that's not true, is it? It's public record that they attempted to blow up our embassy in Egypt. They've been caught repeatedly stealing secrets from us and there is a lot of evidence they were key players in the 9/11 attacks.

Two things are going to be required for me to debate this. 1) you have actually watch the documentary 2) your IQ has to have at least two digits.

Since you meet neither of these standards, have a nice day.
 

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Well, that's not true, is it? It's public record that they attempted to blow up our embassy in Egypt. They've been caught repeatedly stealing secrets from us and there is a lot of evidence they were key players in the 9/11 attacks.

Two things are going to be required for me to debate this. 1) you have actually watch the documentary 2) your IQ has to have at least two digits.

Since you meet neither of these standards, have a nice day.

Go ahead, use the Z-word. You know you're just itching to.
 

Cam

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Usual riff raff. 1) at least two digits to your IQ 2) actually watched the documentary to know what you're supposed to be talking about-that's why you have to have that second digit.

Other than that, and in light of the documentary and all the corroborating evidence, you people are disgusting.
 

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Come on, Cammie. You know the word. Even now you feel it bubbling up your esophagus like a rancid belch, vibrating in your prepubescent larynx, erupting past the back of your halitotic throat, pressuring its way against your pursed, thin lips, wanting - nay, DEMANDING to be heard with all the righteous sieg heil passion your purest of souls possesses against...you know...those people. It wants to be said. Needs to be said.

The Z-word.

Come on...let it out. You can say it. We're all adults here.
 

Cam

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Come on, Cammie. You know the word. Even now you feel it bubbling up your esophagus like a rancid belch, vibrating in your prepubescent larynx, erupting past the back of your halitotic throat, pressuring its way against your pursed, thin lips, wanting - nay, DEMANDING to be heard with all the righteous sieg heil passion your purest of souls possesses against...you know...those people. It wants to be said. Needs to be said.

The Z-word.

Come on...let it out. You can say it. We're all adults here.

You embody much of what I hate about the present state of the church. And, you haven't watched the documentary. Gutless.
 

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You embody much of what I hate about the present state of the church.

May I have an itemized list, please?

And, you haven't watched the documentary. Gutless.
Why should I? I already know where it'll end up. Anyway...
Six years earlier, on June 8, 1967, the fourth morning of the “Six-day War,” the USS Liberty, an electronics eavesdropping vessel, arrived off the Sinai coast and began to suck in every Israeli military communication, relaying it all to the British Secret Service’s giant computer installation on Cyprus. From there, complete maps of every Israeli military move were transmitted in advance to the Arab armed forces. With that help, the Arabs might have been able to use their overwhelming numerical superiority to turn the tide of the war. Israel had no choice except to sink the Liberty. Of course the media screamed about this “cold-blooded attack.” No one believed Israel’s public excuse that the Liberty had been mistaken for a hostile Egyptian ship—and neither the U.S. nor Israel has publicly told the truth.

http://www.thebereancall.org/content/august-2005-q-and-a-3
 

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Two standards. 1) You admit you haven't bothered to watch the documentary.

2) You provide reasonable doubt of a double digit IQ.

Why didn't you just go to the source? Because you lap up whatever propaganda suits your interests and don't even consider sources. The source for your link is a book called The Secret War Against the Jews. And, the sources of the Secret Wars Against the Jews? Well, they're secret. Now, there you go.

Career naval officer and USS Liberty survivor has an opinion about the source of your narrative:



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Poppycock!

The sad but overwhelming fact is that none of this is true.

The ship did not come from Egypt; it was diverted from the African coast well before the war started. We didn't steam in circles, but on a course parallel to the coast. Nor were we heading "from the direction of Egypt" when "spotted" by the Israelis; on the contrary, we were headed directly toward Egypt. The only "Israeli coast" in sight was land the Israelis had captured just before we arrived.

It is preposterous to believe that we were "removed from Navy control," as these authors claim, or directed to "ignore" orders from the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The truth is, we were always under the direct military control of the local commander who took his orders from the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington.

Israel has claimed for years that the US, when asked about the Liberty, denied that the ship was American. That story, repeated here by Loftus and Aarons, is also untrue. On the contrary, Israel never asked about ships in the area until after the attack. Then they falsely claimed in a news conference to have asked days earlier. They never made that claim officially to our government, because any such false claim by the Israeli government would have brought a quick official denial from the Americans.

What about this "NSA Major" who was "in charge"? There was no major. NSA does not bestow military rank. The man in charge was US Navy Lieutenant Commander David Edwin Lewis, who reported to Captain McGonagle. Like any Navy commanding officer, McGonagle had full access to every part of his ship, including the intelligence spaces.

Alan Blue, who is identified as "the major," was in fact a 24- year-old Arab linguist who died in the attack. Blue was a GS7 civilian, just out of the Navy. He had been with the National Security Agency for less than a year. He was a technician. He didn't "consult" with the ship's captain about anything. He had no supervisory authority and never even met the captain.

What about the "Hebrew linguists" we are said to have picked up for the mission? The men we picked up were Russian and Arab linguists. If there was a single Hebrew linguist aboard, no one can recall who he was or what his job might have been.

The fact is, NSA had very few Hebrew linguists and used them sparingly because whenever Israeli supporters in the Congress learned of such things they threatened to cut the agency's budget.

Not a single message got through, including some at the most urgent precedence called "Pinnacle"? Nonsense. Some key orders were lost in overworked relay stations ashore, but this ship sent and received hundreds of messages every day. And "Pinnacle" is not a military communications precedence at all.

The authors want us to believe Israel carefully targeted only the intelligence spaces with a precisely aimed torpedo in order to spare American lives. Yet they couldn't even hit the side of this 550 foot ship with the other four torpedoes, which missed completely.

These authors have the British "downloading" the ship's satellite signals destined for NSA headquarters. Yet the Navy did not yet have satellite communications in 1967, and Liberty's sophisticated lunar relay system was not working.

When attacked, USS Liberty was near the Gaza Strip, moving away from the Israeli coast and toward Egypt. At least one linguist recalls that his orders were to concentrate on Soviet intercepts and to ignore any Israeli signals he happened to hear. "Note the signal and, if it is Israeli, drop it," were the orders. Do not collect, record, or even listen to Israeli signals. That was consistent with NSA policy. The prime target was not Israel.

What was the Liberty really doing?

In 1967, the Soviets were known to have stationed at least five Soviet TU95 Bear bombers in Egypt where they were supposedly flown by Arab pilots. But the US suspected that these were actually Soviet bombers under Soviet control using Soviet pilots. Liberty was asked to determine who controlled those aircraft.

Israel attacked our ship not because of what we were doing, but what they thought we were capable of doing. We were indeed capable of monitoring the war and could probably have detected the scheduled Golan invasion and other Israeli movements if those had been our orders.

The truth is that our primary target may have had nothing to do with the Six Day War at all. Some argue that the war merely provided a cover to explain our presence in the area while our real purpose was to determine who was piloting the Russian Bears.

"Where do they get this stuff?"

"Where do they get this stuff?" several of my shipmates asked after reviewing the Loftus/Aarons chapter on the Liberty? "Do they make it up?"

It would seem so. Many of these fables started with Anthony Pearson in his book "Conspiracy of Silence," published in England in the late 1970s. Pearson asked me to join him in that effort. I refused. Then I learned that he was lying about alliances with a prominent writer, a senator, and a dozen Arab countries. Still later I learned that most of his book was a lie.

Pearson created the "Major Blue" fable and a host of other fairy tales related to the Liberty. Many of the stories lived on, only to be repeated and embellished by others. Pearson is also the creator of the weird story that has an ICBM submarine lying 90 miles off the Israeli coast during the Six Day War, ready to nuke Tel Aviv if the Israelis start to use nuclear weapons against the Arabs. Pearson, sadly, was dying from a brain tumor when he wrote his book. It rendered him paranoid.

He died on the run from the Mossad, which he believed was trying to silence him. He spent his days slipping in and out of London subways to evade his pursuers; he never slept in the same bed twice.

His book reflects his paranoia. Sadly, Pearson's insane musings are constantly picked up and further embellished by other writers who fail to understand just how sick he really was. Then those writers cite one another as sources for their ravings, never bothering with any serious research or verification. Now, Loftus and Aarons bring 25 years of misinformed embellishments together and give them credence with long lists of "confidential sources" whose identities are known only to themselves.

In a very real sense, this is dangerous, because some of what they say will be believed. Innocent people will be frightened for no reason, and that should not happen.

In the end, the only thing Loftus and Aarons seem to have gotten right is the fact that the attack was no accident. Even that, they justify as being "necessary". It was not.

http://www.ussliberty.org/secret.htm
 

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Didn't even read what I posted.

Yes dummy, I read your link and it cited Loftus and Aarons. And yes, I read you don't even have the integrity or the guts to watch the documentary which is the subject of this thread.

Here is the first item for your list: dumb
 
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