Captain America vs. Conservative Caricatures. Yay.

[Huckleberry]

In the latest issue of Marvel’s revamped Captain America, the iconic superhero takes on a group of right-wing conservatives trying to stop illegal immigrants from crossing the border.

In “Captain America: Sam Wilson #1,” the superhero also known as Sam Wilson heads to the border to take on an “evil” militia group known as the Sons of the Serpent, who are patrolling the area between Mexico and Arizona, according to a video summary of the issue created by the MacIver Institute.

The Sons of the Serpent try to stop a group of illegal immigrants from crossing the border. They accuse the immigrants of invading a sovereign land to spread disease and crime, take American jobs and collect welfare — staples of the conservative case against illegal immigration.

“Attention all trespassers! I am the Supreme Serpent!” the group’s leader is depicted shouting in one of the images. “By invading this sovereign land, you defy the laws of God, nature and the United States Constitution! Therefore, I hereby apprehend you by the power vested in me by the aforementioned God, nature, et cetera, et cetera.”

When the immigrant pleads with the villain, insisting that he doesn’t want any trouble, the commander responds, “Oh, I believe you, sir. I can see you have enough trouble with you already, trouble and disease and crime weigh heavy on your backs.”

The villain continues to describe the need for a wall along the U.S. border — another common theme among Republican presidential candidates.

“Until the mighty wall is built,” the villain continues, “you come here for employment that is rightfully ours! And if denied it, you seek welfare paid for by our tax dollars! Also, you know how you make me press one for English at the beginning of every call to my satellite provider? That is something I cannot abide!”

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Lolwut?

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Okay, first of all...

I can't even bring myself to point at any particular bit of stupid this Supreme Serpent guy says. It's just...I don't...I...

Ugh.

I really have a hard time believing there are people who actually exist that think anyone on the rightwing side of the illegal immigration issue would ever in a million years talk like that or say things like that or...ugh!

If I were Captain America and I came upon this scene I'd immediately suspect this is some kind of satirical...something. Maybe this is being filmed for a comedy of some sort. It's gotta be a joke somehow. These "serpent" people can't possibly be for real, right? They're obviously caricatures or something, right?

Seriously, Marvel has done some incredibly dumb things *cough* violently feminazi female Thor *cough* and given me plenty of reasons to really like Marvel superheroes while not spending money on their actual comics, but...

Well, yeah. This is why I don't spend money on their actual comics. Am I crazy to think their marketing strategy these days is to make the most obnoxiously stupid stories and character revamps they can come up with?

 

[bybee]

This is not the way to win friends and influence people. Liberals dish out this kind of specious venom but scream bloody murder when it is returned.
It is labeling which liberals decry when one of their causes is labeled.
That makes them hypocrites!

 

[Buzzword]

Eh, it's not the first time a comic has touched on this particular issue, or even the first time an issue has been addressed this way.

Since the launch of Marvel NOW!, Marvel has made an extra effort to keep up with current events in their stories, similar to DC's social relevancy stories in Green Lantern/Green Arrow and Spider-Man in the 70s.

Especially given the furor over officially making Sam Wilson the new Cap.

DC (specifically, Mark Waid) touched on this specific issue in 1996's Kingdom Come with the psychotic "patriot" and early-day Captain America ripoff, The Americommando.

Spoiler

Cue Superman and company blasting in to take out these madmen willing to gun down civilians.
...in pretty much exactly the same way Cap takes out this current group of madmen willing to gun down civilians.

 

[bybee]

Eh, it's not the first time a comic has touched on this particular issue, or even the first time an issue has been addressed this way.

Since the launch of Marvel NOW!, Marvel has made an extra effort to keep up with current events in their stories, similar to DC's social relevancy stories in Green Lantern/Green Arrow and Spider-Man in the 70s.

Especially given the furor over officially making Sam Wilson the new Cap.

DC (specifically, Mark Waid) touched on this specific issue in 1996's Kingdom Come with the psychotic "patriot" and early-day Captain America ripoff, The Americommando.

Spoiler

Cue Superman and company blasting in to take out these madmen willing to gun down civilians.
...in pretty much exactly the same way Cap takes out this current group of madmen willing to gun down civilians.

Indeed....

 

[PureX]

It's a comic strip. Of course they are filled with caricatures. What ELSE would they be filled with?

Of all the things in this world to worry about, this doesn't seem like something that should be on anyone's list. If you don't like the stories, don't read them.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

It's a comic strip. Of course they are filled with caricatures. What ELSE would they be filled with?

Of all the things in this world to worry about, this doesn't seem like something that should be on anyone's list. If you don't like the stories, don't read them.

Coming from the same liberals that gave us such great one-liners like "If you don't approve of abortion, don't get one!"

The perverts that write today's comic books know that children are influenced by what they read. Hence the politically correct theme of today's comic books.

 

[bybee]

It's a comic strip. Of course they are filled with caricatures. What ELSE would they be filled with?

Of all the things in this world to worry about, this doesn't seem like something that should be on anyone's list. If you don't like the stories, don't read them.

Well, why didn't the homosexual couple just go to a bakery which didn't disapprove of them?

 

[PureX]

Well, why didn't the homosexual couple just go to a bakery which didn't disapprove of them?

Because it's illegal to discriminate against them, and they felt their rights were being violated.

A comic strip is a form of art, which is covered under the free speech/freedom of expression laws. There are Christian religious comic strips, right-wingut comic strips, gay comic strips, and even porno comic strips. And as with any form of free speech or artistic expression, we are free to read them or ignore them as we please.

The difference is that we are free to discriminate against the comic strips, but not against human beings.

 

[bybee]

Because it's illegal to discriminate against them, and they felt their rights were being violated.

A comic strip is a form of art, which is covered under the free speech/freedom of expression laws. There are Christian religious comic strips, right-wingut comic strips, gay comic strips, and even porno comic strips. And as with any form of free speech or artistic expression, we are free to read them or ignore them as we please.

The difference is that we are free to discriminate against the comic strips, but not against human beings.

True.

 

[Huckleberry]

It's a comic strip. Of course they are filled with caricatures. What ELSE would they be filled with?

I remember Blue Beetle dealing with this issue back in '08 in a way that didn't slap half the fanbase right in the face. Heck, it got me interested in the Blue Beetle long enough to follow that story for a while. That's what comics do when they're not being lazy and stupid enough to alienate huge chunks of their already niche market.

 

[PureX]

I remember Blue Beetle dealing with this issue back in '08 in a way that didn't slap half the fanbase right in the face. Heck, it got me interested in the Blue Beetle long enough to follow that story for a while. That's what comics do when they're not being lazy and stupid enough to alienate huge chunks of their already niche market.

The fact that you feel like a comic strip "slaps you in the face" should tell you that you are being absurdly myopic and personal in your views of the world.

Disagreeing with right wing ideology, and saying so, is not "slapping" anyone in the face. Not unless you can't distinguish your right wing ideology from your physical person. Which is a very strange phenomena that seems to have become common in the U.S.; called "identity politics".

 

[Huckleberry]

The fact that you feel like a comic strip "slaps you in the face" should tell you that you are being absurdly myopic and personal in your views of the world.

Disagreeing with right wing ideology, and saying so, is not "slapping" anyone in the face. Not unless you can't distinguish your right wing ideology from your physical person. Which is a very strange phenomena that seems to have become common in the U.S.; called "identity politics".

Okay, now you're just being a dumbass. Apparently because you actually believe this is a fair and reasonable portrayal of the conservative position on this issue. You honestly can't perceive the insult here? Maybe if the villains in this scenario were laughing maniacally while handing out voter ID's, EBT cards and diplomatic immunity to hordes of violent criminals, pedophiles and Muslim terrorists streaming over the border chanting "death to America" and "Allahu akbar"...maybe then you'd be like, "Uh, wait...what the hell? This is not a bad joke? Screw you, Marvel!"

 

[bybee]

Okay, now you're just being a dumbass. Apparently because you actually believe this is a fair and reasonable portrayal of the conservative position on this issue. You honestly can't perceive the insult here? Maybe if the villains in this scenario were laughing maniacally while handing out voter ID's, EBT cards and diplomatic immunity to hordes of violent criminals, pedophiles and Muslim terrorists streaming over the border chanting "death to America" and "Allahu akbar"...maybe then you'd be like, "Uh, wait...what the hell? This is not a bad joke? Screw you, Marvel!"

Well said and Amen!

 

[PureX]

Okay, now you're just being a dumbass. Apparently because you actually believe this is a fair and reasonable portrayal of the conservative position on this issue. You honestly can't perceive the insult here?

Not to you, no. That comic strip said nothing whatever about you, or to you, personally. And yet you immediately imagined that anything negative that it says about your ideology, is a direct assault on you, personally (you used the term "slap in the face"). Yet no one slapped you in the face, at all. No one ever even addressed you. All they did was make a comic strip that depicted some of the ideas that you happen to hold about the world as "bad". That's it.

Maybe if the villains in this scenario were laughing maniacally while handing out voter ID's, EBT cards and diplomatic immunity to hordes of violent criminals, pedophiles and Muslim terrorists streaming over the border chanting "death to America" and "Allahu akbar"...maybe then you'd be like, "Uh, wait...what the hell? This is not a bad joke? Screw you, Marvel!"

Oh, I don't doubt that there are some out there that are similar. And I couldn't really care less, because I don't read them. And even if I did stumble on one, I still wouldn't care, because they have nothing to do with me. And because they are cartoons. To perceive them as personal insults would clearly be foolish.

 

[bybee]

Not to you, no. That comic strip said nothing whatever about you, or to you, personally. And yet you immediately imagined that anything negative that it says about your ideology, is a direct assault on you, personally (you used the term "slap in the face"). Yet no one slapped you in the face, at all. No one ever even addressed you. All they did was make a comic strip that depicted some of the ideas that you happen to hold about the world as "bad". That's it.
Oh, I don't doubt that there are some out there that are similar. And I couldn't really care less, because I don't read them. And even if I did stumble on one, I still wouldn't care, because they have nothing to do with me. And because they are cartoons. To perceive them as personal insults would clearly be foolish.

So, your stance is that the written word has no power?

 

[PureX]

So, your stance is that the written word has no power?

Only the power you give it. It can't "attack" you.

 

[bybee]

Only the power you give it. It can't "attack" you.

The written word may inform you, inflame you, outrage you, bore you or nauseate you.
It has immense power.

 

[genuineoriginal]

In “Captain America: Sam Wilson #1,” the superhero also known as Sam Wilson heads to the border to take on an “evil” militia group known as the Sons of the Serpent, who are patrolling the area between Mexico and Arizona, according to a video summary of the issue created by the MacIver Institute.

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Poe's law is an Internet adage which states that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, parodies of extreme views will, to some readers, be indistinguishable from sincere expressions of the parodied views.
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Unfortunately, I don't think the liberal low-brows that wrote the comic knew that they were creating a parody.