Church and believers are not to judge, God and Christ will judge.
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Strawman, and that is very telling. The question is what laws are we to keep.
I don't need the dictionary, Dave. I wanted the answer.
It wasn't a mistake. I wanted the answer.
There is no question there so I don't understand what you are asking me to answer but I would say that Romans 8 is precisely the passage of scripture which you are here advocating against! Perhaps the single most important verse is one that you chose to skip over...
Romans 8:4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
You simply cannot have it both ways. You can follow the law, which is of the flesh, or you can walk in the Spirit. You cannot do both! Indeed, God Himself will see to it that you fail at the former. He simply will not help you follow the law. The law is against you. It is there to convict you. The law KILLS! The Ten Commandments has a ministry of death, Dave!
II Corinthi8ans 3: 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
Colossians 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
You are here advocating for taking the law down off the cross and using it - for what? Righteousness sake? NO!!!!Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Who has bewitched you, Dave, that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed to you as crucified? This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
I ask you again, Dave...
What one other thing in the whole of scripture had a ministry of death? The answer is important!
Since you seem to like dictionaries...
Impunity: Exemption from punishment, penalty, or harm.
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1 Corinthians 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Galatians 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”),
Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
Titus 2: 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
That doesn't sound like impunity to me!
I suppose the question is whether you believe that Jesus took away the penalty for your sin?
The ones Jesus told us to keep. John 14
15 If you love me, keep my commandments 23 If a man love me, he will keep my words: 24 He that loveth me not keeps not my sayings
--Dave
You knew what my answer would be, so that means you already had it.
Your mistake was you said your question was not rhetorical when it actually was.
Following the Law is not a work of the flesh
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envy, murders, drunkenness, reviling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
--Dave
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Body part
You know that's not just referring to the ten commandments, right?
And you know that Jesus is not talking to the body of Christ there, right?
None of these verses tell us that we are now free to sin all we want without fear of losing our salvation--which is what impunity means.
Shall we continue in sin? God forbid? --Paul
Freedom from sin is not freedom to sin. Freedom from sin means we don't have to keep on sinning.
--Dave