Don't Vote for Trump

Lexington'96

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On Tuesday, millions of Conservative and Evangelical Christians will cast their ballot for Donald Trump. Some will do so for the Supreme Court, others will do so out of partisan loyalty (Republicans do well among those who frequently attend church), and some do so because they genuinely like the man. But I refuse to do so.

Hillary will be a terrible President, that much is almost certain. But that does not justify voting for Trump.

One argument for Trump, one that has been used for Republican candidates for decades, is the issue of abortion. Hillary Clinton is a staunch defender of abortion and of Planned Parenthood, and thus if you care about the right to life you should vote for Donald Trump. But when you look at the facts, it turns out that Trump also supports Planned Parenthood. He spoke positively of the organization earlier this year. An average citizen could be excused for being ignorant of what Planned Parenthood does, but not a man who is running for America's highest office.

The Republican Party has done very little to stop abortion. Several Republican appointees formed the majority in the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision. Richard Nixon, President at the time, did nothing. He said that abortion was not only justified, but necessary, for mixed race babies. In the 43 years since Roe v. Wade, Republicans have controlled three three branches of government multiple times and have done nothing each time. Why would anyone expect Donald Trump to be any different than other Republicans? If anything, he'll be worse on this issue. In addition, Trump shows no respect for the sanctity of life when he calls for killing the families of terrorists.

Another argument for Trump is the religious freedom issue. People tell me that I have to vote for Trump to prevent Hillary from taking away freedom for Conservative Christians. But what guarantee is there that Trump would be any better? Trump doesn't respect the first Amendment. He sees no problem with the government ignoring it when it comes to Muslims. If religious freedom for Muslims is abridged, Christians (along with Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and others) could also lose their religious liberty. Russell Moore wrote an excellent article on this issue.

There is nothing redeeming about Donald Trump. He is dishonest and constantly changes his positions on the issues when convenient, two things he has in common with Hillary Clinton. He speaks about women in a demeaning manner. His campaign has also inspired the rise of the alt-right, a racist and anti-Semitic movement that is gaining popularity. Trump (or more likely, whoever runs his social media) has interacted with the alt-right on twitter. There is nothing about this man that Christians should find appealing. If Christians support this man we will be seen as hypocrites throughout the country. Don't vote for Trump.
 

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On Tuesday, millions of Conservative and Evangelical Christians will cast their ballot for Donald Trump...

Can a person really call themselves a conservative or a Christian (the two go hand in hand) if the candidate that they're endorsing doesn't embrace Godly values, when he in fact openly embraces anti Judeo/Christian values?

On that note, I'm glad to see that a Libertarian like yourself hasn't jumped on the Trump wagon like so many Libertarians are doing.
 

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On Tuesday, millions of Conservative and Evangelical Christians will cast their ballot for Donald Trump. Some will do so for the Supreme Court, others will do so out of partisan loyalty (Republicans do well among those who frequently attend church), and some do so because they genuinely like the man. But I refuse to do so.

Hillary will be a terrible President, that much is almost certain. But that does not justify voting for Trump.
You make two errors here. It isn't "almost" certain. And it certainly does justify voting for Trump (i.e. against Clinton)

One argument for Trump, one that has been used for Republican candidates for decades, is the issue of abortion. Hillary Clinton is a staunch defender of abortion and of Planned Parenthood, and thus if you care about the right to life you should vote for Donald Trump. But when you look at the facts, it turns out that Trump also supports Planned Parenthood. He spoke positively of the organization earlier this year. An average citizen could be excused for being ignorant of what Planned Parenthood does, but not a man who is running for America's highest office.

The Republican Party has done very little to stop abortion. Several Republican appointees formed the majority in the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision. Richard Nixon, President at the time, did nothing. He said that abortion was not only justified, but necessary, for mixed race babies. In the 43 years since Roe v. Wade, Republicans have controlled three three branches of government multiple times and have done nothing each time. Why would anyone expect Donald Trump to be any different than other Republicans? If anything, he'll be worse on this issue. In addition, Trump shows no respect for the sanctity of life when he calls for killing the families of terrorists.

Another argument for Trump is the religious freedom issue. People tell me that I have to vote for Trump to prevent Hillary from taking away freedom for Conservative Christians. But what guarantee is there that Trump would be any better? Trump doesn't respect the first Amendment. He sees no problem with the government ignoring it when it comes to Muslims. If religious freedom for Muslims is abridged, Christians (along with Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and others) could also lose their religious liberty. Russell Moore wrote an excellent article on this issue.

There is nothing redeeming about Donald Trump. He is dishonest and constantly changes his positions on the issues when convenient, two things he has in common with Hillary Clinton. He speaks about women in a demeaning manner. His campaign has also inspired the rise of the alt-right, a racist and anti-Semitic movement that is gaining popularity. Trump (or more likely, whoever runs his social media) has interacted with the alt-right on twitter. There is nothing about this man that Christians should find appealing. If Christians support this man we will be seen as hypocrites throughout the country. Don't vote for Trump.
You're a fool if you think there is any similarity between Trump and Clinton.

You think throwing away your vote obsolves you, it doesn't. Your vote or lack thereof has an effect, one way or the other. You can either help defeat the worse of two evils or you can help defeat the lesser of two evils. It sucks living in an evil world under an evil governmental system where such catch 22s are presented to us but sticking your head in the sand and pretending like your lack of action isn't precisely what Clinton wants for Christian to do is an empty and even dangerous paltitude designed only to salve your emotions.

You do what you want but make no mistake about it, if Clinton wins she'll have you and all the other do nothing Christians to thank for it.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil was that good men should do nothing.” - Edmond Burke
 

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You make two errors here. It isn't "almost" certain. And it certainly does justify voting for Trump (i.e. against Clinton)


You're a fool if you think there is any similarity between Trump and Clinton.

You think throwing away your vote obsolves you, it doesn't. Your vote or lack thereof has an effect, one way or the other. You can either help defeat the worse of two evils or you can help defeat the lesser of two evils. It sucks living in an evil world under an evil governmental system where such catch 22s are presented to us but sticking your head in the sand and pretending like your lack of action isn't precisely what Clinton wants for Christian to do is an empty and even dangerous paltitude designed only to salve your emotions.

You do what you want but make no mistake about it, if Clinton wins she'll have you and all the other do nothing Christians to thank for it.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil was that good men should do nothing.” - Edmond Burke
Great Post !!
 

Lexington'96

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Can a person really call themselves a conservative or a Christian (the two go hand in hand) if the candidate that they're endorsing doesn't embrace Godly values, when he in fact openly embraces anti Judeo/Christian values?

On that note, I'm glad to see that a Libertarian like yourself hasn't jumped on the Trump wagon like so many Libertarians are doing.

Most Libertarians aren't voting for him.

Don't forget that as you vote for her by not voting Trump. You choose a baby killing. lying crook under FBI investigation for your leader - more Obama

If not voting for Trump is voting for Clinton, then not voting for Clinton is like voting for Trump. So am I voting for both of them by voting for neither?

You make two errors here. It isn't "almost" certain. And it certainly does justify voting for Trump (i.e. against Clinton)


You're a fool if you think there is any similarity between Trump and Clinton.

I mean, they were close personal friends and Trump was a Democrat until Obama beat his friend in the primary. They also have the same positions on healthcare and social issues. And Trump has spoken from both sides of his mouth on too many issues to count, so who knows where he truly stands?

You think throwing away your vote obsolves you, it doesn't. Your vote or lack thereof has an effect, one way or the other. You can either help defeat the worse of two evils or you can help defeat the lesser of two evils. It sucks living in an evil world under an evil governmental system where such catch 22s are presented to us but sticking your head in the sand and pretending like your lack of action isn't precisely what Clinton wants for Christian to do is an empty and even dangerous paltitude designed only to salve your emotions.

You do what you want but make no mistake about it, if Clinton wins she'll have you and all the other do nothing Christians to thank for it.

You don't have to take sides in everything. By that same logic we should intervene in gang wars to support the gang that isn't as bad as the other one.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil was that good men should do nothing.” - Edmond Burke

How is voting for Trump any better than doing nothing?

Ephesians 5:11

Do not support evil to fight another evil.
 

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Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Can a person really call themselves a conservative or a Christian (the two go hand in hand) if the candidate that they're endorsing doesn't embrace Godly values, when he in fact openly embraces anti Judeo/Christian values?

On that note, I'm glad to see that a Libertarian like yourself hasn't jumped on the Trump wagon like so many Libertarians are doing

Most Libertarians aren't voting for him.

Care to address my first question?
 

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Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Can a person really call themselves a conservative or a Christian (the two go hand in hand) if the candidate that they're endorsing doesn't embrace Godly values, when he in fact openly embraces anti Judeo/Christian values?

I don't really know the answer to the question. I think it is possible though.

You don't know, but you think that it's possible?

Care to expound on how someone who embraces things that God abhors can be a follower of Christ i.e. believing in conserving His teachings both at the same time?
 

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There is a bus loads of Canadians leaving Quebec Canada on Tue. morning to vote for Hillary in NH. Those who volunteered receive free computer lessons. I'm not sure of the details but it has something to do with 'how to' lessons on setting up your own server.
 

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There is a bus loads of Canadians leaving Quebec Canada on Tue. morning to vote for Hillary in NH. Those who volunteered receive free computer lessons. I'm not sure of the details but it has something to do with 'how to' lessons on setting up your own server.

Clinton isn't socialist enough for Canuckdians. Don't trust em, they'll write in Bernie Sanders.
 

Lexington'96

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You don't know, but you think that it's possible?

Care to expound on how someone who embraces things that God abhors can be a follower of Christ i.e. believing in conserving His teachings both at the same time?

I personally know Christians who are voting for Trump, so that's why I think it's possible.
 

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Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarror
Care to expound on how someone who embraces things that God abhors can be a follower of Christ i.e. believing in conserving His teachings both at the same time?

I personally know Christians who are voting for Trump, so that's why I think it's possible.

Do these "Christians" actually know what secular humanist/pro LGBTQ/pro abortion/pro socialist/sexual degenerate Donald Trump stands for, or are they putting on the 3 monkeys act?

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Some wag said, "Picking between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton is like picking a seat on the Titanic."
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Sad, but possibly true.
As a non American... I love the USA. I love the Christian roots of your nation and the positive influence, for the most part, it has been in our world. But, over the past years it seems that the USA has been turning further and further from God. I pray not, but wonder if we are witnessing the decline of the 'great American empire.'
Psalm 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance
 
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